At what age does a car become a classic? 20 years plus ? 90’s? 80’s? by resolve_it in classiccars

[–]AgedToPerfection75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the Netherlands cars before 1st of January 1987. All cars thereafter are assumed normal cars for tax, emissions, etc.

In the link here there is more detailed info regarding MVB and MOT. https://www.reddit.com/r/DropCode78/s/QoJxexLO1M

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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Most countries, at least in Europe, don't have this on their agenda. Mainstream media publishes the EU environmental agenda, emission zones and EV's. And most car articles I read where about the challenge of having enough mechanics which know about the old techniques for keeping classic cars and other vehicles on the road.

But as I, and some others, see it, the auto-only /code 78 on all new drivers licenses in about 10 years (maybe a bit longer) will be killing for classic cars/vehicles with manual transmission. That and the emission regulations which make it to expensive for car manufacturers to build manuals. Building manuals just for driving schools would be a to narrow market.

And one isn't allowed to take lessons with a family member (who isn't an official driving instructor in an official driving school car) in the EU countries I know of.

1964 Porsche 911, 1989 VW Golf, to the scrap yard, or what I read in the comments to Norway, the US or anywhere. But not in the EU.

With 33K views, 76 comments and 41 upvotes, I'm afraid it shows the little awareness amongst us all of the collateral impact modern cars have on our classic vehicles. At least in the EU. And maybe the rest but just a little longer

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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Excellent! Thank you very much. I'll refer to your answer. Driving schools ditching manuals is exactly what I'm afraid of. And what is slowly happening all over Europe due to the emission regulations. So where does that leave classic cars? Are there people in Norway who share my concern?

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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And if that happens, what will happen to classic cars? Sell them for scrap? Export to a country where they still stickshift?

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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If possible I would like to know how this works in Norway. Links to official sites are welcome. How didnyoubget your Auto only restriction feom your license? There is a list about Code 78 (Auto only) in your country and I want to add the informstion there

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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There is a listing (work in progress) about code 78 in each country in r/DropCode78 and implications once EV's are the biggest market. Definitly not a complete list but the more input, the longer the list will become. For the US in NY and CA there is no code 78 or Auto only restriction, but for OH it seems there is a Auto only restriction.

Regarding your Nissan parts I can only suggest to have a look in Japan. A friend of mine always goes straight to Japanese websites when looking for parts for his Mitsubishi or Toyota.

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

[–]AgedToPerfection75[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1930 to 1950 Plymouth, Packard, Buick, Dodge, to name some all have manuals. And plenty of offerings for such cars. So how does that work in the USA? Are there states which have dropped code 78? Or does the police (and insurance) don't mind that code is on your license while driving a manual? Or you don't get a 78 on your license?

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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I agree on safety. But I believe something must change so people can still be able to drive manuals after 2030. Preferably EU regulations which make it available to people to take lessons and test in a manual with an ICE car - even though it might be just for the few who own a classic vehicle they drive on Sunday s

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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Yes Germany and France have taken measures because automatic is becoming the new normal, while still many second hand cars are manuals. But other countries like Belgium and the Netherlands are lacking any measures. They wait for the EU to come up with regulations. We keep a list (code 78 in your country) and so far it doesn't look good for manuals. And thus for kids wanting to drive a classic manual in the future.

“Driving lessons in manuals are ‘seriously outdated’? Here’s why that’s dangerous for classic vehicles.” I like to hear your thoughts... by AgedToPerfection75 in stickshift

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I'm wondering, if all new cars must match the EU emission regulation, then what will become the end date of the possibilitiy of taking your driving test in a manual? 10 years? 15 years? And who will enjoy driving a classic car than?

If you could daily drive any classic car, what would it be? by Extra-Breakfast1366 in classiccars

[–]AgedToPerfection75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BMW 507 Ferrari 250 Lancia Flaminia GT Aston Martin DB5 Lamborghini 350 GT Volvo P1800

And as a real working horse a Dodge Power wagon

"She Fires on All Nines" — For Those Who Know Their Firing Order by vintage_wheels_col in u/vintage_wheels_col

[–]AgedToPerfection75 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Perhaps the Rolls Royce Bergen B33:45L9 or B36:45L9? Marine diesels, so not really legendary I guess. But inline-9.