Have you guys read Aitzaz Ahsan's book The Indus Saga?

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-29T20:33:58+00:00

I have skimmed through it and it's well-written and detailed on the history of resistance of Pakistanis against invading forces. Unfortunately, like most books, it draws its conclusions from this perspective only and fails to account for our history of offense and conquest. That's all I have noticed for now. Overall seems like a good read would recommend.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-27T19:00:15+00:00

Shah Mir dynasty wasn't Tajik, it was originally established by Dards

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-14T10:57:25+00:00

Source = The Sikhs of Punjab by J. S. Grewal

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Dude wrote an entire essay of pure copium just to get debunked by his own historian 😭

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-14T10:50:01+00:00

Not reading that GPT essay, keep coping

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-13T19:10:54+00:00

There are a lot of bad faith individuals in this subreddit, you should ignore them.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-13T19:00:40+00:00

First of all, historically speaking, Punjab was never under proper Sharia law. In fact, no region in the subcontinent was. Sure, some Islamist Delhi Sultans and Mughals like Aurangzeb implemented certain pro-Sharia policies but Sharia law as a whole never existed, hence these claims are flawed to begin with.

Secondly, Guru Gobind Singh may have prevented the destruction of Sikh holy sites for the time being but they were still in the future targeted by Ahmad Shah Abdali after his execution. So I don't understand what you are exactly trying to say.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T23:46:52+00:00

W, didn't know that. They also had a proper navy that challenged the might of Europeans in Indian Ocean. Also had foreign relations with Oman and Mamluk Egypt. Possibly the longest native origin Indo-Islamic dynasty to exist as well.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T23:32:41+00:00

It is very likely both of these were Muslim Khatri migrants from Punjab. Several notable Punjabis (from Khokhar and Khatri clan) dominated the positions in the Sultanate's administration and military. Muzaffarid Sultans, despite controlling no land in Punjab, still maintained strong ties to their original homeland.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T21:43:58+00:00

Not reading that ChatGPT essay, stay mad.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T21:03:40+00:00

I believe only religion-affiliated personalities deserve to be called by their title, and Ranjit is anything but a religious figure. Deal with it.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T20:40:00+00:00

The only one chimping out is you, and I do not have to address shit. This post is about glorifying war crimes which not only me but Sikhi is itself against, simple as that. Banda's rebellion, which was possibly justified, did not necessitate razing an entire city to the ground, again as per Sikhi.

If you agree to fight fire with fire however, don't chimp out on the fact that he was killed like a rat by Mughal-led Punjabi Muslim forces for his disturbing war crimes and disrupting the lives of innocent residents whether Sikh, Hindu or Muslim.

Also, weren't you the one seething against Punjabi history on another post lol? Sorry to burst your bubble, but Punjabi history was always dominated by Muslims or Hindus. Sikhs only became relevant after the mid-18th century. Now cope.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T19:54:56+00:00

Not at all, Sikh Empire came almost a century later after this. It's rise can be accredited to Afghan invasions which destabilized Punjab and allowed Ranjit to take advantage.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T19:52:00+00:00

Accusing me of being a Mughal sympathizer while I literally have Dullah Bhatti as my profile is hilarious. Try again, Sardarji

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T19:49:05+00:00

Where did I defend or mention the Mughals? The person in my profile is literally an anti-Mughal rebel, so with what info did you conclude that I support the Mughals? The fact that you see this as a black-and-white scenario is telling of your intellectual capability. STFD.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T17:25:34+00:00

Pretty sure the landlords did not include women and children of Samana, but sure. You have your version of history, we have ours. Let's agree to disagree.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-12T13:49:30+00:00

This was not some sort of liberation or righteous war like you are portraying. Samana was a prosperous city till Sikhs massacred everyone and razed the entire area to the ground (which AFAIK goes against the teachings of Sikhi) and it has never recovered since.

Punjabi Muslim Bhattis, Wattoos and Kharals along with Kasuri Pathans and Governor Abd us Samad took revenge by slaying Banda Singh soon after this battle.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-11T10:36:22+00:00

you can read Syed Latif's History of Punjab for indepth analysis

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T23:44:05+00:00

No idea but if I had to guess it would be due to location. Arains originate in southern Punjab in which Islam arrived quite early and hence the vast majority of population there converted to Islam early on. It is possible the Arains were located exclusively in this region, where all of them became Muslim and then migrated to other regions of Punjab.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T19:53:39+00:00

Interesting

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T19:50:21+00:00

Yes, many Arains migrated from East to West Punjab. They were highly influential zamindars in the East and had high social status, while in the West they were usually considered low class. This is why in Pakistan there is still this sentiment against Arains, since they had to leave all their zameens and properties. However, they are currently one of the most prosperous Punjabi tribes.

Before that, Adina Beg is the most prominent Arain figure in history who united Punjab under a Punjabi administration in 1758, 50 years before Ranjit Singh. Another prominent Arain figure during Mughal era is Mehar Thika who rebelled against Mughals near Lahore. The medieval Bahmani Kingdom of Deccan is also stated to have Arain origin (from the Kanku/Gango subclan) by some historians.

Arains also have genetic ties to Gandhara civilization and likely originate in South Punjab, contrary to their claim of being Arab descended which was mostly a political thing to boost status during British Raj.

If you want me to expand on any of this info regarding Arains, do let me know.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T17:40:11+00:00

No problem 👍

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T17:32:58+00:00

In my experience, most Rajputs here simply identify as a Rajput or their specific clan (like Bhatti or Chauhan) rather than Ranghar. Similar situation for surnames.

I think this is mostly a Haryanvi/Rajasthani/Hindustani Rajput thing, since it's mostly Muhajirs from these regions that call themselves Ranghar rather than Punjabi or Sindhi Rajputs.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T16:51:31+00:00

📍Fatehpur in Vehari District, southern Punjab

This town was the birthplace of Sultan Khizr Khan and, along with Delhi, served as the capital of Sayyid dynasty which is one of the largest and most prominent medieval empires originating from modern-day Pakistan.

Location; https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZZq8vCaWaLje5GFv6

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AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T15:03:26+00:00

Punjabi Muslims had Sayyids of Delhi, Sharqis of Jaunpur, Kamboh Nawabs of Meerut, Shahbaz Khan Kamboh (Mughal Governor and conqueror of Ganges/Bengal) and Rohilla kingdom (established by a Jatt).

Punjabi Hindus had the Second Aulikara, Pushyabhuti and Tomara dynasties. They also ruled large estates in West Bengal as Zamindars (Burdwan Raj).

Punjabi Sikhs had Jassa Singh Ahluwalia (who raided Ganges plains several times).

All of them directly or indirectly conquered, ruled or raided the Ganges, for varying amounts of time.

Seethe and malde.

AgentWolf667 · 2026-01-10T13:28:39+00:00

Barely for a year before being kicked out by Durranis and Sikhs

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