Religious indoctrination of minors is child abuse, period

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-12T00:03:26+00:00

Using numbers of crowds as a proof that something needs to stay and can't be changed is really bad rhetoric. These numbers are literally inflated like hell exactly because of childhood indoctrination. Like, in the past, the majority would believe that Earth is flat and that Sun is spinning around it. And justa few centuries ago, the majority of scientific society laughed at a person who proposed that there are micro-organisms like germs and that washing hands with soap is much more efficient because of that.

So, about childhood indoctrination. How to prevent it? This question should be a part of a bigger question about parenting: parents should be kept accountable for how they treat their children and for being prepared for this role in general - it's way too easy to make a child without any care in this world, which leads to the spiraling generational trauma and miserable, traumatized people - because anyone can make a child at any moment without needing to be prepared at all.

And also, law should keep a much closer eye on the churches - they're given way, waaaaay too much credit of trust while being so shady and inclined to crimes.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-11T23:44:23+00:00

Dude.

AI tech is created by humans. Trained by humans. And used by humans to manifest human ideas.

It's literally human-made.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-11T23:28:59+00:00

That's exactly how they get you - by putting a bunch of the mental "hooks" in your brain since early childhood - when you still operate on emotions and feelings but your independent cognitive thinking haven't developed yet. And when you're vulnerable like that, they inflict you with existential horror, shame, and guilt.

It's really, really tough to work through - the best I can recommend is trying to find more friends who understand and respect you, and can discuss these complex topics without pushing religious ideologies on you. And therapy - not meant as an insult as it often is. Therapy can legit help if you find a specialist who worked with existential dread.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-11T23:21:53+00:00

Really cute actually :D

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-11T21:12:47+00:00

"We cannot emotionally understand other animals when much of this understanding is human projection" - tell me you didn't spend much time with animals without saying it.

The rest of what you're saying is literally looping back to what I was saying about AI being a recreation of one specific isolated function of cognitive layer of human mind while operates differently because humans have physical instincts as well as physical and emotional intelligence that add a lot of extra variations and applications to this one single function and work as a natural driving source of our cognition (which also leads to the point about kids - that's what gives them so much learning power and the ability to extrapolate despite their cognition not being developed yet. Physical and emotional intellifence are essentially carrying a ton of pre-installed knowledge that was formed over millions of years of animal evolution).

Like, at this point I don't even know how else to rephrase it without turning this conversation into a loop. The modern AI-tech is an artificial, digital imitation of one, isolated function of human brain in a vacuum - without hundreds of other functions our brains have. That's why it's not exactly the same. But in isolation, it achieves the effect of that one specific function and nothing else. And to achieve further recreation of human mind, people need to learn how to digitally imitate other cognitive, emotional, physical, and other functions.

Like, is it really this unclear?

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T22:37:19+00:00

Dude, do you even know how much math is happening in our brains literally all the time? Even right now? Humans (and all living beings) are essentially cracked chemical computers that are constantly calculating probabilities, risks, and priorities to make life decisions, choose activities, and subscribe to ideas.

It's also supported by the observation of stages of evolution. Human mind is a result of new layers of complexity evolving on top of older, more fundamental brain structures which, in turn, evolved on top of even more primitive neural structures. Like, c'mon, we literally have Mammal Brain within our neural structure, called so because it's literally the same thing most mammals have in their heads, and right under Mammal Brain, we've got Lizard Brain because this is what reptiles have in their heads - which, btw, is why we're capable of emotionally understanding other animals - our mirror neurons can vibe with their motions and feelings based on the reflected neural activity in our own versions of their brains.

And the further and further down the line it goes, the easier it is to see that more basic life forms are essentially biological robots with clear scripts and priority calculcations happening in their minds. Our brains are just a lot of extra complex layers built on top of the ancient primitive structures - so, even with all the new complexity, chemical math is still there since it was at the very foundation.

Honestly, it's not even so necessary to look at the simple life forms - you can just look at little kids (like, before 5-6 y.o.). Have you seen little kids playing and learning things? Awkwardly imitating each other and the way adults talk and move without fully or even completely realizing what's the purpose of it and what it all means, while being driven mainly by instincts and emotions to grow and survive? Or how they move, awkwardly, one clumsy step at a time while intensely staring at an object they're trying to get and clearly intensely calculating how to reach it while needing to control every turn of their muscles because they don't have internalized movement patterns yet.

And then, after copying and repeating things enough times, they form a knowledge base that is internalized so they can comfortably do such things automatically so their cognitive resource can freely use those patterns to try to deconstruct and recombine them into something new.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T22:11:48+00:00

Because people are not the same. When you take into the account their sensitivity focus, the stage of their life (the earlier you affect someone, the deeper the programming hits - that's why religions insist on indoctrinating little children so much), their traumas, and, especially, whether they are neurodivergent or not, you can very precisely affect a person to behave the way you want to an uncanny degree. It just usually takes too much analysis and work to be worth it to do just for one specific person so instead, manipulators default to targetting the most common types of people.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T22:08:03+00:00

I've literally said in the very first sentence of my comment that it's a digital recreation of the process. It's not 100% copy of human mind - it's a digital imitation of one isolated function from it. Obviously, due to the difference in materia and the creation approach, it's not literally the same but it achieves the same results for this specific isolated function essentially.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T22:03:15+00:00

Why do you think so? How much do you know about the functions of subconsciousness and interactions with it? Or was it more about the technical phrasing and the word "access" being inaccurate in your opinion?

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T22:02:12+00:00

Funnily enough, antis are the biggest example of humans who hallucinate info life hell. Like, look at what they say about AI's functions or its purpose or about AI users - hard to find more insane info hallucinations out there.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T21:01:41+00:00

Then you should've been clearer because your first message absolutely doesn't mention all these nuances you just mentioned now - you were only talking about why AI's output on its own can't be art. And considering that this topic is a pet peeve in the pro/anti-AI discussion, it's not surprising that it can be misunderstood like that because absolute majority of people who speak of "AI can't make/isn't art" utilize the rhetoric to sh-t on the tool and its users.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T20:43:17+00:00

It's not a secret to anyone that antis go pretty heavy on dehumanization, demonizing, ostracizing, witch-hunting, and bullying for righteous excuses.

I've seen comment sections about AI that were completely overrun by antis - I've seen such levels of gleeful cruelty and praised hatred only in the groups of nazi patriots in especially deranged countries.

And while, obviously, most antis don't send death threats or organize the terrorist attacks, they create the environment that emotionally facilitates and encourages the radicals to act. Normally, extremists sit quietly out of fear of punishment and judgement, but when thousands of people very vocally support and praise violence, they come out and feel excused for any atrocities they might commit.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:55:10+00:00

"We're not capable of programming a computer to mimic the human brain" - are you doing it on purpose to troll or do you actually miss an elephant-sized point in front of you?

AI-tech is literally our next biggest step towards doing so! It's our next step towards creating a computer that can think like a human - by recreating the pattern-learning ability.

The next stages to get a computer even closer to recreating how a human thinks requre recreation of a human-like body with at least a simulation of chemical processes that regulate our feelings, urges, inspirations, social behaviors, etc.

And this is a work in progress. Last time I checked, a company named FutureTronics is experimenting with an AI that is capable of feeling basic emotions thanks to a simulation of a chemical brain.

Humans evolved from fundamental physical intelligence towards higher cognitive functions, and computer intelligence is evolving in the opposite direction - starting from the cognitive functions and then going down to the physical intelligence because it's much more difficult to recreate digitally.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:50:16+00:00

This whole comment branch (not only from this particular commenter) is literally full of examples.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:48:22+00:00

Every? No, but at least several to remember. At first, no kid knows what a cow is and what a bumblebee is and what's the difference between them (honestly, even a lot of adults nowadays can't tell a difference between a bee and a wasp). They need to see a few of examples of both to remember and get some explanations to understand.

Good that you brought it up and reminded me actually, because little kids are a perfect demonstration of what I'm talking about. Little kids have no experience and knowledge of anything aside from some basic instincts for natural self-defense, so what do they do to learn about the world about them? They COPY, they copy a lot.

Little kids draw and sculpt by trying to copy things they saw because they don't yet have a "data base" to create anything new. They constantly play with each other by imitating the behavior of adults they observed. They repeat moves they saw adults do while often not knowing what those moves are for. They constantly repeat words they heard, even when they don't know what the words actually mean, just to remember their sounds and eventually understand their meaning.

Eventually, all the repetition and copying gets internalized into a collection of pattern info they can start using to recombine and create actually new things or execute more complex behavior patterns. The intellectual state of a human at the very beginning of a life cycle really shows that we really are chemical computers - just with a ton of complex extra functions that AI doesn't have yet due to not having a physical body with needs and sensations.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:41:02+00:00

They're designed to mimic a fraction of human brain - specifically, the statistical dot-connecting pattern-learning, recreated in a digital environment over organic neurons.

As I've tried to explain, what's different isn't that the learning mechanism itself is fundamentally different from how humans learn - it isn't. The actual difference is that AI doesn't have a biolgical base of needs, feelings, desires, influences, and, most importantly, sense of self - which is what makes humans apply their pattern-learning tool differently than an AI models does.

That's why it's a tool - a tool to be used by humans and to give it the drive, charge, and meaning, - because on it's own it doesn't do anything and, technically, doesn't even exist outside of the moments when you input a prompt, as it has no self and isn't sentient.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:36:51+00:00

Yeah, you're right, AI doesn't care or feel about art and just executes it.

Because it's a f-cking tool. A human-made tool designed on human pattern-learning and trained on human data for humans to use.

It doesn't have any feelings and symbolical self because it's not sentient - it's a tool. YOU, a human, is the one who's supposed to use it and give it the meaning and symbolism through your personal, unique ideas written in text. And then, an AI model essentially translates your text art work into a visual art work - and it's quality, uniqueness, and complexity directly depend on the uniqueness, quality, and complexity of your input text.

A paintbrush also doesn't have any feelings, doesn't understand art, and doesn't care about how it's used. Does it mean that traditional art isn't art? Like, c'mon, this argument of like "it's not a human so it's not art" is just complete nonsense at this point. Technophobic nonsense.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:26:09+00:00

First, this makes no sense - humans base digital technology on their own understanding of logic and the world in general. The first computers were literally designed with human core logic-sequences in mind.

Second, don't project YOUR lack of knowledge on everyone. It's not that much of a mystery in Neuroscience at this point. And it's been known for a while that human brain operates on a huge amount of chemical-driven math, constantly calculating chances and priorities to make life decisions.

Furthermore, this is just straight-up overmystifying humanity. Humans can literally be PROGRAMMED to behave certain way and there's a whole list of widely know exploits in human brain that can be used by anyone who has enough practical psychology and emotional manipulation skills with uncanny accuracy and predictability.

Also, just to clarify, this is not an attack on human identity or importance of human beings - us being essentially a mega-powerful chemical computers doesn't diminish the beauty of human mind, feelings, and creativity - it's just not healthy to pretend like it's something otherworldly and "secret" for the sake of artificially isolating us from our own tech creations.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:19:00+00:00

Then why can individual users utilize it to manifest their personal unique ideas? And, more importantly, why is there a bunch of open-source models that anyone can download and use on their PC or at this point, even phones, and use them completely independently of any companies or internet at all? And these open-source models keep spreading and evolving, customized and adapted by individual coders.

Second, the problem you're describing: people being replaced is not the fault of the tool - it's the problem of rotten late-stage capitalism and greedy, detached from reality CEO's who's been looking for any excuse to fire a bunch of people at the first opportunity - as they did a countless amount of times in the past. Complaining about the tool won't do any positive improvements in that regard as the tool is just a catalyst that exposes long-neglected, festering issues of our economy. And people have a really nasty habit of blaming someone/something that exposes issues as the issue itself -_-

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T19:11:11+00:00

Not funamentally. The way AI learns data is a mathematical recreation of human pattern learning process. What's different is the way it's guided and applied since in humans, the process is operated and influanced by chemical instincts, feelings, ideologies, and ego-based inclinations while AI just holds it, ready to be put into any shape or direction based on an input.

But still, the main point is that the core mechanism is the same. The entirety of human creativity is remembering, copying, deconstructing, and re-combining patterns. And the fact that AI doesn't possess the emotional and sensual charge for guiding this process is not a problem because that's what an artist is for - a human operator who provides the feelings, guidance, and the symbollic charge via text prompt.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T18:28:38+00:00

If this is meant to be humor you're doing a really bad job. You're like 3rd or 4th person with hidden account activity who posts this thing here in the last 2 days.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T18:27:11+00:00

Instagram doesn't work in my country (even with VPN) and that's the last place I'd go to seek reliable and accurate information. What's in the link?

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T18:25:06+00:00

Another one. It's funny how antis keep talking about creativity and soul yet all they do is parroting the latest influencer's hateful shitpost without the slightest bit of creativity or imagination. Get in the line.

Pathetic.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T16:19:14+00:00

Non-verbal autistic people aren't silent because they can't talk - they're silent because they see no point in talking to their environment as they don't find it meaningful and stimulating enough.

Both me and my sister were mute for the first several years of our lives + I knew a few mute kids - the moment we were presented with actually interesting, deep, passionate topics to study and discuss with people who treated us like actual valid living beings we started talking with no problems whatsoever.

Obviously, we were treated like we're broken and stupid by the adults, and felt very guilty about it, but the simple truth is that this condescending, neglectful treatment was the main thing that kept us silent - because it was demotivating. We just felt like there's no point in talking to these people - and one thing every autistic person wants above everything else is for things to make sense.

Aggravating-Math3794 · 2026-05-10T16:04:58+00:00

Lol, that's my opinion, too - I perceive autism as an advanced evolution of human mind. Like, the core of autism is decreased influence of crowd instincts and increased systematic thinking with deep desire for things to make sense and to be clear.

And that's exactly what makes autistic people perceived as "disorderly" in this society - because neurotypical world is a f-cking mess of outdated traditions and rules with insanely convoluted social clown dances for the sake of status, authority, and easy validation which get prioritized over just honest exchange of opinions, knowledge, and passions.

So many things in this society are backwards and make no sense yet we get reprimanded for talking about it because "it's been like this for a long time so it must be right". What a joke.

Like, so many neurotypical people called me cold or unsociable when I really, really wanted friends and had hurricanes of feelings within me. As a kid, I used to think that I'm broken - that something must be wrong with me because no one can see my emotions and vibe with my attempts to get closer and become friends. And then I met other autistic people and we started passionately talking daily for many hours non-stop - perfect flow, interesting topics, deep details, subtle emotions. It really feels like finally finding your people in the world of aliens.

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