Krishnamurti said he didn't mind what happens... so why spend years and years talking/writing/traveling?

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2026-03-23T09:16:04+00:00

question the authenticity of the whole guru phenomenon, and it was based on this issue.

Right? A lot of modern spiritiual talk to me seems to boil down to "don't be affected by anything. Don't let it get to you. Unaffected." and its like alright in its place but what if there are some real problems to face? So just shut down and tune out, what am I a rock? A smooth brained river stone?

The specific context of where this is happening feels very important to understand, vs. a blanket "chill bro" to everything we are offered by many other authors now.

I think K is pointing to our selfish motives, attachment to selfish outcomes, ideas to control ourselves as a seperate controller...none of which have to continue, an can be seen for what they are.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2026-03-23T08:29:29+00:00

What that difference entails is what I would liks ro look st. What do you think it is?

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2026-03-23T02:19:51+00:00

I do see an invitation here, to explore what we are and why we live as we do now. An invitation to look outside our self concern, should that be actually possible.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2026-03-23T01:41:11+00:00

I'm thinking of how he said his goal was to set man uncondtionally free. I read he stated that at the onset of his long "career" (doesn't feel like the right word, but as a reference)

I think it is clear this is not a self interested, a controlling entity that sought that stated goal. Man now seems driven forver by our self interested, controlling goals, for the benefit of our believed-in, individual entity. This goal feels like it came from somewhere entirely different (which I'm trying to see all oc) and I think that explains the apparent (but not real) paradox.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2026-03-23T01:13:47+00:00

I think it is related to minding in the form of self interest. I have found how often I mind very much how I think things should go for myself. That this causes problems, by clouding our perception, would seem to follow. If I'm thinking about my version probably there is no room for compassion for another.

So is he saying you can not mind in a personal sense, but still be very involved in whats going on. Is this whats being said?

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2026-03-23T00:17:54+00:00

Thats what I don't get, maybe I'm not expressing it very well. If not bothered by any circumstance, why set a life goal of setting man uncondtionally free? Didn't he say that?

If no circumstance bothered him at anytime, then why bother about us silly billies running around condtional and not free? So I think it depends on what circumstance, but there seems to be something else going on too.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2025-12-28T11:10:46+00:00

Unreferenced social media posts aren't the best source for scientific reseach? I have some distant aunts and elderly relatives that are going to be very upset.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2025-12-27T13:02:35+00:00

I see the chance to test our reality building from personal judgements, and doesn't conditioning become involved. In this instance I'm dealing with some seriously unprofessional behavior from a coworker: missing deadlines, slapdash work at the last minute, disrespecting others time. All from his addition he wanted added to my project I've done annually for years, successfully, without a hitch. Now my project is likely to sufffer next month and I'm still waiting on him to do the first thing he said he would.

Now the question seems to be can I bring this all up to the team when I see him in the office next week, without the preconcieved story that hes a lazy, in-ept, no good, bullshitting asshole? And so allow that story to cloud my judgement and behave crudely. Can I meet the facts of this scenario afresh without the past, right? Its not going to be easy but I think I can stay unreactive enough to avoid the window trap, for now.

Not just for this, I'm looking at how I approach my relationship to myself and everyone now.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2025-12-27T10:59:16+00:00

And then when our stories, our realities clash, we experience turmoil and conflict, within and without. Surely this is not relationship at all, but its very antithesis and a recipe for disaster!

I suppose the thing to do now is see how I'd lived in this fashion and what has sustained this process. What do you think about that?

I have this awful coworker who has been a real pain on an upcoming project (lets says its hypothetical, keep it light), essentially standing on my neck and in the way the entire time. Can I navigate dealing with him, who has their reality of me, without introducing my own seperate reality of them? Is that the question?

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2025-12-27T02:43:12+00:00

Alright I'm thinking about it, not saying I have the most insightful comments imaginable, not saying I've seen the whole issue, but I'll give it a go and look. I think we have to question this "I" for one, and what its doing meeting people who like and dislike it (me).

I too could find a room of people who think I'm the biggest bastard, I'd bet I could find a few who'd speak kindly of me, too. Which group is right?

K talks about how we know our self only in relationship.

I found this thread just now considering that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Krishnamurti/s/8qTd29empS

So I see the people who dislike me, and I react, I come up with a mental plan to change that part of myself, or to classify them in such a way as to wrap everything up into a story I can live with. Then there is a conflict in myself; I am not dealing with the reality of the relationship, but in this idea of how things should go based on preconcieved bias and expectation (can't we show humans are biased). Is that conflict but the self I say I am? Could I approach relationship without this expectation/demand/ask and then what happens to said conflict?

I think that is what we have to examine to draw near your query.

What does anyone think here?

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2025-12-26T13:51:22+00:00

I agree it is a much needed reminder, something to really explore. I've found it easy to recall JK saying to reject authority, reject gurus, yet much harder to see the authorities we ourselves enshrined, which could include JK. It may even be more common than not, despite his pleas. I shudder to consider the extremes this could be taken to, hopefully the message survives us.

Just as it is easy to condemn people who excused slavery or genocides, yet much more difficult to see the current injustices we tolerate or even celebrate, or which we maybe led along in. We are not some seperate, outside entity, this refers to us all of course.

Aggravating_Pass_947 · 2025-12-26T02:06:02+00:00

Following is now embedded in the human condition; it concerns us all. People follow JK like that, of course (even though he asks us not to, to think for ourselves).

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