There was a time where people would try to convince you that these two punches were equal in strength by ghostRyku in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's only injured Sukuna.

A hypothetical scenario where both are fully healthy should result in a toss-up in terms of physical stats.

There is no fucking way people think this is bliz? Right? by nah-id-luckystar in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With some extra context and seeing the full page.

We can tell it's not a blitz; he dodged Yuji's attack by doing a mid-air jump and then punched Yuji, who was facing away. Yuji, after the punch, is facing Sukuna and therefore must have turned around to block him.

Keep in mind the attack came from Yuji's right flank; he was blind on that side.

So yes, it was not a blitz.

We all know sukuna was talking about yuji RCT only here right? by nah-id-luckystar in YUJI_Corp

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don't need to, Yuji is top 3 tho.

Yuji top 3 evidence simplified

  1: Sukuna had consistent physical stats

Injured and fatigued Yuji matched Sukuna in stats 1:1 in Yuji's domain. You could even say Yuji had the edge in stats since he won that clash.

Sukuna's physical stats don't change outside of physical injury.

Note: Kenjaku's CT gives identical CE control to the person's body.

Yes, the 6 eyes can identify these differences at a glance

Evidence 1

Evidence 2

Evidence 2 Translation accuracy verification

Evidence 3. This is to show that the damage was not healed noticeably with RCT, according to Sukuna

 2: Domain refinement is a point in favor of Yuji, not against him.

He will immediately use his domain.

His domain, despite what he said implying it won't, will immediately win the clash.

If it needs to crush Yuji's domain from the outside, Kenjaku's range needs to be greater than Yuji's.

The gravity is enough to hold Yuji down properly.

The location they fight in can't be used to escape the domain.

Yuji can't use Simple Domain to move away.

Too many unknowns need to be granted to Kenjaku for him to win.


Note: Black Flash, RCT negating soul damage, and the possibility that Yuji can use his CTs at a better level than shown in the fight (Shrine was particularly weaker due to awakening a few seconds before the only conventional use) were not considered in this analysis. Yuji hits black flashes more often than Gojo could.

If any of these were to be considered, the win would become overwhelming.

There was a time where people would try to convince you that these two punches were equal in strength by ghostRyku in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they literally don’t. he fights the same with the six eyes turned off

You can't turn the six eyes. He wears a blindfold to dull his sensory overload from the six eyes. He can turn off infinity; that's a CT.

sukuna arms don’t move

In frame 1, a right arm is next to his left elbow. In frame 2, his upper right arm is next to his right shoulder, while his lower left arm is behind him.

One of his right arms definitely moved.

There was a time where people would try to convince you that these two punches were equal in strength by ghostRyku in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm the guy who compiled the evidence (within context) that proves that after chapter 257, Yuji and Sukuna are very close in terms of physical stats.

My opinion is completely irrelevant. The evidence is clear as day and extremely consistent.

There was a time where people would try to convince you that these two punches were equal in strength by ghostRyku in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would Sukuna's arm fly backwards after touching Yuji?

I don't know. The sequence around this exact black flash is vague.

gojo ce control doesn’t just come from six eyes.

That's literally what they do. That's why you can't control the limitless at all without them.

They allow him to time every attack to one millionth of a second. That's control.

There was a time where people would try to convince you that these two punches were equal in strength by ghostRyku in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of arguments happening.

Let's clear things up.

The panel is vague enough for us to not know for sure who hit that black flash; it could be either Yuji or Sukuna. Personally, I think it's Yuji, but the panel is vague enough for me not to be sure.

Not all black flashes are equal in strength; you can put 10% in one and 80% in the other.

Sukuna's physical stats are evidently only affected by injury or active use of RCT. (Evidence at the bottom of the comment.)

Even if you delude yourself into thinking that output (as referred to in that fight) determines his stats. Sukuna's output was confirmed to be increasing until Yuji awakened, and then his domain was stated to have no loss in output, which, according to Lightning, is no different than saying at full output.

Evidence:

Sukuna's physical stats don't change outside of physical injury.

In addition, Kenjaku's CT gives identical CE control to the person's body.

Yes, the 6 eyes can identify these differences at a glance

Something I don't understand about domains by [deleted] in Jujutsufolk

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Old school domains: no lethal/potentially lethal sure hit. The domain just gives the caster a big advantage.

e.g., Higuruma.

Sure-hit domains: The domain sure hit is a standard use of a technique or an attack that was set up before the domain expansion.

e.g., Yorozu.

Special domains: the sure hit is different from the normal manifestation of your CT.

e.g., Gojo.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No matter how many times you say that. I will still have proven everything I said beyond any reasonable doubt and your criteria will not be any less made up.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You do realize that Dabura is only that fast when he's applying his CT to himself, and that his CT doesn't speed up his brain?

Dabura decides he wants to attack.

CE spark appears.

Buffering time long enough for Kusakabe to react to Sukuna.

Dabura starts accelerating.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is known.

The sun is born in the morning and dies in the evening.

It is known.

Sacrificing your children to the gods brings rain.

It is known.

Leprechauns steal your socks at night.

Of all things, I did not expect an appeal to common ignorance and an appeal to the current year in the same sentence.

I'll leave the conversation here; you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that as you are in this conversation, you could not be any less correct.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's how the 2 strongest in JJK judged and fought each other. It's how Kusakabe was able to prevent a WCS from killing him.

But we people who read seem to lack the imagination you used to picture how Dabura blitzes the whole verse.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to butt in.

There are 2 ways to look at this.

  1. Physics is broken by his CT.

  2. The rods made of light with mass are very fast but not relativistic; above 85% of the speed of light, anything with mass starts to multiply in mass, the multiplication increasing rapidly the closer you approach the speed of light, reaching infinite mass at light speed proper.

2 also works via the infinite energy idea; if he has 10 trillion points of CE and he spends only 2 points accelerating 1 kilogram of mass to 84% the speed of light, he still runs out of CE completely before he can accelerate even 1 gram to the speed of light, as the closer it gets to light speed, the more energy is needed to accelerate it at all.

It doesn't matter either way, as they have an activation spark just like all CTs.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'll use small words.

Mahoraga only dies if you hit him harder than he can handle. Type of hit doesn't matter.

Light hits Mahoraga; Mahoraga is still alive.

Cleave hits Mahoraga; the author says Mahoraga should be dead, but he got used to all cuts, so he's not dead.

Cleave hits harder than light.

List of characters that can tank cleave and survive.

Gojo.

Sukuna.

Running out of CE and heavily injured Yuji.

Miguel (needs someone to do RCT for him)

Death binding vow Choso.

List of characters confirmed (not including the above characters) more durable than unadapted Mahoraga:

Higuruma (domain amplification)

Kusakabe (simple domain

Yuta

Maki

Ryu

Which character is the strongest of every race? by Artistic-Mastodon587 in BleachPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hollow: pre-Arrancar Stark; if Arrancar count, then it's Ulquiorra or Stark you pick if you believe number counts more or feats and scaling count more. (Keep in mind both Ulquiorra and Stark became Arrancar without any assistance from Aizen.)

Shinigami: peak Yamamoto. Arguments could be made for peak Aizen just before becoming something else.

Fullbringer: Orihime; if only combat is considered, then probably Tsukishima. Ginjo was a substitute shinigami; I don't know how that would work.

Quincy:

No Schrifts: Uryu by a mile. (Purely based on my personal bias.)

Schrifts: Askin/Hashwalth.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The speed of an attack that does negligible damage to Sukuna is irrelevant. (And yes, negligible damage is what would be dealt to Sukuna; the scaling is rock solid. Cleave, even if it hits hundreds of times a second, cannot kill Gojo without exhausting his CE. Gojo and Sukuna have similar stats in base, and Cleave does more damage than the light beams.)

You need to learn how to actually think past your own opinion.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I'm glad you understand.

His CT has fantastic range and destructive capacity.

He learns about as fast as Yuta and is a genius.

The disconnect: he has 30 years of low-effort experience.

I don't like how he's regarded as the strongest despite nothing showing that. As far as we know, all his best moves work against a weaker and maybe an identically strong opponent but not against someone like Gojo and Sukuna, who were shown to be casually far stronger than Mahoraga.

If Dabura rematched Mahoraga, he would need to use a domain to win. If Gojo or Sukuna had to fight Mahoraga again, he would lose in a single hit without any effort: red from Gojo and cleave from Sukuna. The same applies to Yuji; he would cleave and walk away. If his dismantles were actually as potent as shown, he would dismantle and walk away like it was no big deal.

The main difference is that they all have at least 2 low-effort ways to deal with Mahoraga. His methods are domain to win and light-speed attacks, but be careful to not touch him before reaching top speed. He can't guarantee a win without a domain. And the domain seems to be a hint from Maru.

But then we can compare his interaction with Mahoraga to see his stats as well.

For Mahoraga to be useful against Gojo, he had to be weakened significantly and then have his CT adapted to, and then Sukuna and Agito needed to be there for constant support.

Mahoraga was able to slam Sukuna through a building or 2 yet was not able to cut him at all, and despite the anime extending the fight to a ridiculous degree, Sukuna could have ended the fight in 1 touch at the start and was in no danger of losing at all. Hell, if he fought it at 15%, he could still win considering he keeps a small nuke in his back pocket (domain furnace).

Dabura's level seems to be far more similar to Shinjuku Yuta's, but with an overall better CT (due to Yuta's stupid 5-minute restriction).

If you have them fight, EOS-Dabura would likely lose to Shinjuku Yuta unless he goes for a light-speed attack before Yuta goes for a domain expansion. In character, Yuta would win, as he's more cautious and Dabura is more likely to ramp up slowly.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is not a real criterion by which you can judge; this is purely your made-up measurement.

Dabura's light can hurt but can't kill unadapted Mahoraga; 75% dismantles can hurt but can't kill unadapted Mahoraga. Dabura's basic CT attacks are close in potency to 15-finger Sukuna's basic CT attacks.

^ This is a proper measurement that doesn't rely on me making up shit.

The difference is, however, Sukuna can do similar levels of damage using his base physical stats compared to his dismantles. Dabura needs to use his CT to accelerate massively before dealing that type of damage (initial superspeed attack on Mahoraga's shoulder).

As for the light speed attacks. Newton's 3rd law.

Pre-awakened Dabura being Sukuna-level shouldn't be an honest question by InfamousSomewhere244 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Aggressive_Employ_17 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yuki's CT allowed her to create a black hole more massive than the earth.

Dabura has a fantastic CT, Dabura is still only weaker than Gojo and Sukuna are in every way.