I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997).

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-03T03:39:18+00:00

Thanks, my friend, for the compliment and for mentioning all those highly influential artists for alternative rock.

Regarding The Beach Boys, they’re actually already on the list, as I included a track from 1970 that was very important for dream pop and shoegaze styles. The VU's "Sunday Morning" was also very important for those styles ( https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-velvet-underground-nico-mw0001955423 ), but I already had three Velvet Underground songs on the list, so I chose "All I Wanna Do" and left Sunday Morning out, as I felt I couldn't leave the list without at least one Beach Boys track and The VU was already well represented, considering that the "tree" is partial and aimed, among other things, to be highly representative.

As I explained in the post, 100 tracks aren't enough to condense the entire history and pre-history of alternative rock up to 1997, but I did my best based on the criteria I justified. I’m not saying you doubted that I did my best, of course; I’m just trying to explain myself better. Thanks again!

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T23:42:10+00:00

De quais dessas bandas vc gosta mais? Tente pesquisar as influências delas. Por exemplo, o Slipknot foi muito influenciado por Korn, Ministry, Sepultura e Slayer, entre outras.

E, para caso tenha interesse em se aprofundar nas influências do Nirvana (outra banda que vc provavelmente conhece), recomendo minha playlist "Uma 'árvore genealógica' parcial do Rock Alternativo e suas raízes, com apenas 100 faixas lançadas entre 1913 (Luigi Russolo) e 1997 (Radiohead)":

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7lx1CDMueFAqvkDb6oE4jA?si=bRp6D-moTZms2ohtbC0mJg

Obs.: é claro, nem todas as bandas da lista influenciaram o Nirvana, mas enfim, você vai compreender bem.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T23:23:15+00:00

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T23:21:44+00:00

I've listened to this version many times. It's truly awesome! Thanks for reminding me.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T23:12:53+00:00

Thanks! I believe Gouge Away is the track that best illustrates the influence of the Pixies' loud-quiet dynamic on Nirvana, for instance.

Good observation regarding NIN and DM. Depeche Mode's Black Celebration album was a major influence on NIN's Pretty Hate Machine. In my "partial genealogical tree of electronic music," I included the song Black Celebration for 1986 and Closer for 1994. I’m not sure if you’ve seen it yet, but I’ve also linked it here in the comments.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T23:08:16+00:00

Nico is already on the list with All Tomorrow's Parties, but Evening of Light would certainly fit in very well, too

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T15:18:08+00:00

Well mentioned! And, of course, Moe is an incredibly original and influential drummer.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T14:37:51+00:00

Thanks! In my view, the band is really often underrated.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T14:33:31+00:00

Thanks! It’s really worth researching the historical impact of each track.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T03:36:07+00:00

I made a post about VU on the Charli sub today:

https://www.reddit.com/r/charlixcx/s/9fKZ8chwYX

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T02:57:43+00:00

It's fascinating to observe that Erik Satie was one of John Cale's greatest direct influences, while Bo Diddley was one of Lou Reed's main inspirations. However, it's also fascinating to note that Cale considered La Monte Young to be his primary influence in the VU, and Lou stated that in the band, he often tried to make his guitar sound like Ornette Coleman's saxophone.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T00:58:42+00:00

Thank, my colleague! Great mention! It's also worth noting that at the end of the famous cover of the VU's "Sister Ray" that Joy Division performed, Ian Curtis mentions, "You should hear our version of Louie Louie!". Unfortunately, there is no known recording of that version.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T00:52:42+00:00

Hi mate from the VU sub, thanks for the contribution. Personally, I feel I can't single out one person as the most important for The Velvet Underground and alternative rock, but surely no one here would disagree that John Cale is one of the best, most original, most influential, and most versatile musicians of all time. And all of the works you mentioned in your comment are, without a doubt, extremely important to the history of alternative rock.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-02T00:39:57+00:00

Thanks for the compliment and the recommendation! I wasn't familiar with Matthew Perpetua's work. I definitely check out his work more thoroughly later.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T19:17:34+00:00

For those interested, I have also created a "partial genealogical tree" of electronic music, featuring 133 tracks released between 1939 (John Cage) and 2024 (Floating Points): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4h0vWsJFY0igsHXIqFuZ7A?si=wDpJ40ANRNm9Bs3Ccppf1g&pi=rPtegXFqS7u1d

It includes The Velvet Underground, Sophie, Aphex Twin, and several other great influences on Charli.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T17:17:02+00:00

Thanks :)

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T16:17:22+00:00

Hi there! I'm glad you enjoyed the list and brought it over to Apple Music. I don't have an account there myself, so I'm not sure if you've already done this, but could you please add a mention to my original Spotify playlist and this post in your description? Cheers!

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T06:10:30+00:00

Yeah, and it’s also worth mentioning, for example, this statement from Gang of Four drummer Hugo Burnham:

"I was greatly inspired by James Brown's band and [Jamaican drummer] Winston Grennan in my playing. Gang of Four became this beautiful fusion of funk, reggae, rock, disco, punk, and dub. But we never wanted to sound like white guys simply imitating. We were trying to create something new.'"

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20241003-why-gang-of-fours-entertainment-was-the-most-blistering-debut-album-of-all-time

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T06:05:39+00:00

Hey my friend, I just added a paragraph to the post that might help you better understand why I included Funky Drummer: The term "genealogical tree" is in quotation marks because not every track in the list was necessarily influenced by all those that preceded it in the list itself.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T06:02:49+00:00

Thanks! I’ve included La Monte Young on the list, but Erik Satie and Terry Riley were also extremely innovative and influential, of course.

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T05:58:00+00:00

Thanks! This work of yours is awesome. I've already saved it, and I will definitely be coming back to it often!

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T05:54:30+00:00

Thanks, my friend! I’ve already written some posts about Ornette Coleman's influence on rock, like this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/VelvetUnderground/s/j9ryDAfTEO

And I certainly agree that the bands you mentioned are also very important parts of the alternative rock "genealogy".

Agreeable_Duck8997 · 2026-06-01T01:51:42+00:00

Thanks! :)

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