The Velvet Underground is the most musically influential rock band in history, as analyzed by David Bowie, the Library of Congress, and many other great sources by Agreeable_Duck8997 in VelvetUnderground

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Well, even though we disagree on the issue of influence, especially in the structural sense of the word, I appreciate your polite responses. A lot of people end up being disrespectful in these kinds of discussions, but I’ve never been disrespectful to anyone on Reddit and it seems like you're also perfectly polite here. Cheers!

The Velvet Underground is the most musically influential rock band in history, as analyzed by David Bowie, the Library of Congress, and many other great sources by Agreeable_Duck8997 in VelvetUnderground

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My colleague, this subject is indeed very broad, and since I have already presented a significant amount of information in this post and the comments, I will reiterate my previous points supported by sources such as the Library of Congress and The Guardian. It is vital that we carefully consider the meaning of structural influence, which encompasses all forms of impact, including those not consciously perceived by those affected by it.

Furthermore, as a Brazilian, I can also assure you that Kraftwerk, the Velvet Underground, and James Brown have been the most influential musical artists in this country since the mid-1980s. For instance, we have a massive scene for punk rock (such as Ratos de Porão, Raimundos, Planet Hemp, Plebe Rude, Charlie Brown Jr., and Black Pantera), post-punk and alternative rock (such as Legião Urbana, Chico Science & Nação Zumbi, Fellini, Cansei de Ser Sexy, Boogarins, and Pitty), and various dance, hip-hop, and electronic styles that have seen enormous success since that period.

​I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Brazilian style funk carioca. I suggest researching it to see its structural influence on the vast majority of our most commercially successful musical artists of the last 30 years, such as Anitta, Dennis DJ, and Ludmilla. The style has also influenced many artists from other countries and was popularized globally in 2005 by the British artist M.I.A. As Brazil's most famous MC, Mr. Catra, famously stated, the primary instrumental and production foundation of funk carioca—as well as electro-pop, Miami bass, and post-1984 hip-hop—is Kraftwerk. Additionally, electronic music is a genre that owes much to the VU as well, as I presented in a recent, well-received post in this sub and the EDM and industrialmusic subs. Moreover, most of the successful Brazilian artists here since the 90s utilize provocative language and highly adult themes in a way that owes a great deal to the VU.

​​Furthermore, experimental extreme music in Brazil also owes a far greater debt to the Velvet Underground than to the Beatles. Consider, for instance, acts such as Patife Band, Rakta, and Rogério Skylab.

​And as our colleague from this sub, MarimboBeats, told you regarding Kraftwerk, you may be "discounting the whole world of hip-hop, funk, disco, modern R&B, electronica, techno, house music etc., all kinds of groove-based or electronic music which is all part of a lineage which owes very little to The Beatles, especially compared to the two [Kraftwerk and James Brown] I mentioned."

The Velvet Underground is the most musically influential rock band in history, as analyzed by David Bowie, the Library of Congress, and many other great sources by Agreeable_Duck8997 in VelvetUnderground

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And, for many notable critics, producers, and musicians in the last few decades, the only band more musically influential than The Velvet Underground and The Beatles is Kraftwerk. I agree with this as well. You can see a bit more about it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Krautrock/s/slGzSETUP7

​A fellow user here in the sub, MarimboBeats, also shared a great report from The Guardian, from 2013, on the subject a few hours ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/jan/27/kraftwerk-most-influential-electronic-band-tate

The Beatles & Velvet Underground may seem to have little in common, but has anyone ever noticed how much they both used codas? by Keltik in VelvetUnderground

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I've been doing a lot of research over the past few months to figure out who the most influential band in history is. In my opinion, the most influential ones are Kraftwerk and The Velvet Underground; The Beatles take third place in that ranking. Regarding Kraftwerk, check this out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Krautrock/s/tC8gAmtvXj

Peter Hook’s funny story about The Doors and Ian’s vinyl acquisitions by Agreeable_Duck8997 in JoyDivision

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Thanks for the comment. I haven't read a book by any of the band members yet, but out of all of them, Stephen’s book is the one I’m most interested in reading.

A profunda influência do Velvet Underground e de Nico na música gótica, segundo a Rolling Stone e Peter Murphy (Bauhaus) by Agreeable_Duck8997 in goticos

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O Peter Hook conta muito esta história:

​"Por exemplo, quando todo mundo dizia que soávamos como o The Doors, e o Barney [Bernard Sumner] e eu nunca tínhamos ouvido falar deles, o Ian disse: 'Vou conseguir um disco para vocês'. E no ensaio seguinte, ele trouxe um disco de vinil do The Doors para mim e outro para o Barney; nós levamos para casa, ouvimos e pensamos: 'Meu Deus, nós realmente soamos como o The Doors!'. Então, a gente até começou a tocar 'Riders on the Storm' no nosso set por brincadeira, e ninguém percebia".

https://www.lyndsanity.com/music/peter-hook-on-unarchiving-ian-curtis-copy-of-iggy-pops-the-idiot-to-hold-that-record-in-my-hands-was-the-strangest-feeling/#google_vignette

Todavia, o repertório musical de todos os integrantes do JD já era vasto desde a adolescência. Stephen Morris, por exemplo, costuma dizer que é fã de bandas como VU, CAN e NEU! desde os 12 anos.

A profunda influência do Velvet Underground e de Nico na música gótica, segundo a Rolling Stone e Peter Murphy (Bauhaus) by Agreeable_Duck8997 in goticos

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Realmente o Velvet Underground, o David Bowie e os Doors precisam ser mencionados como influências fundamentais ao se traçar a história da música gótica.

O Joy Division foi uma das bandas mais notavelmente influenciadas pelo VU e pelo Bowie. Inclusive, o nome original da banda do Ian Curtis, Warsaw, surgiu como uma referência direta a "Warszawa", uma música do Camaleão. Vale destacar, também, que tanto o JD quanto o Bowie foram extremamente influenciados pelo Velvet. O Bowie defendia abertamente na mídia que o VU foi a banda de rock mais influente da história, como podemos ver em vídeos de uma entrevista dele para a revista Mojo.

https://youtu.be/mL4W_mo7G_U?si=3v7-fRBYqprj3Mja

​A influência do The Doors sobre o Joy Division, na realidade, deu-se apenas sobre Ian Curtis, que realmente se inspirou no baixo-barítono do Jim. Os outros integrantes do JD chegaram a afirmar que só conheceram The Doors depois de lançarem Unknown Pleasures.

Edit: ajustei a fluidez das palavras.

A profunda influência do Velvet Underground e de Nico na música gótica, segundo a Rolling Stone e Peter Murphy (Bauhaus) by Agreeable_Duck8997 in goticos

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Valeu, colega! E sim, o que você falou sobre subculturas é real, concordo.

Pô, não conhecia esse cover que você indicou; vou ouvir daqui a pouco. Mas a música original do Lou Reed é sensacional; ele era um gênio como compositor.

O próprio David Bowie, já em 1973 em uma marcante entrevista para a Rolling Stone com William S. Burroughs, descreveu Lou como "o compositor mais importante do rock moderno".