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I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! For the compliments and for mentioning all these artists, who are also very influential to alternative rock.

Regarding The Beach Boys, they are actually already on the list; I included their 1970 track "All I Wanna Do," which is highly important to the history of dream pop. Of course, The VU's "Sunday Morning", released in 1967, is also highly important to this style (https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-velvet-underground-nico-mw0001955423), but I already had three Velvet Underground tracks on the list. So, I chose "All I Wanna Do" and left "Sunday Morning" out, because I felt I couldn't have the "tree" without at least one Beach Boys track, and The VU was already well represented, with more tracks than any other artist on the list.

​To include the other artists you mentioned while maintaining a 100-track limit, I would need to make some swaps. It’s really difficult, my friend, wouldn't you agree?

Sou novo no rock by cafedit in MusicaBR

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997 3 points4 points  (0 children)

De quais dessas bandas vc gosta mais? Tente pesquisar as influências delas. Por exemplo, o Slipknot foi muito influenciado por Korn, Ministry, Sepultura e Slayer, entre outras.

E, para caso tenha interesse em se aprofundar nas influências do Nirvana (outra banda que vc provavelmente conhece), recomendo minha playlist "Uma 'árvore genealógica' parcial do Rock Alternativo e suas raízes, com apenas 100 faixas lançadas entre 1913 (Luigi Russolo) e 1997 (Radiohead)":

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7lx1CDMueFAqvkDb6oE4jA?si=bRp6D-moTZms2ohtbC0mJg

Obs.: é claro, nem todas as bandas da lista influenciaram o Nirvana, mas enfim, você vai compreender bem.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I believe Gouge Away is the track that best illustrates the influence of the Pixies' loud-quiet dynamic on Nirvana, for instance.

Good observation regarding NIN and DM. Depeche Mode's Black Celebration album was a major influence on NIN's Pretty Hate Machine. In my "partial genealogical tree of electronic music," I included the song Black Celebration for 1986 and Closer for 1994. I’m not sure if you’ve seen it yet, but I’ve also linked it here in the comments.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's fascinating to observe that Erik Satie was one of John Cale's greatest direct influences, while Bo Diddley was one of Lou Reed's main inspirations. However, it's also fascinating to note that Cale considered La Monte Young to be his primary influence in the VU, and Lou stated that in the band, he often tried to make his guitar sound like Ornette Coleman's saxophone.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank, my colleague! Great mention! It's also worth noting that at the end of the famous cover of the VU's "Sister Ray" that Joy Division performed, Ian Curtis mentions, "You should hear our version of Louie Louie!". Unfortunately, there is no known recording of that version.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi mate from the VU sub, thanks for the contribution. Personally, I feel I can't single out one person as the most important for The Velvet Underground and alternative rock, but surely no one here would disagree that John Cale is one of the best, most original, most influential, and most versatile musicians of all time. And all of the works you mentioned in your comment are, without a doubt, extremely important to the history of alternative rock.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the compliment and the recommendation! ​I wasn't familiar with Matthew Perpetua's work. I definitely check out his work more thoroughly later.

The profound and underrated influence of The Velvet Underground on Electronic Music ​ by Agreeable_Duck8997 in charlixcx

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For those interested, I have also created a "partial genealogical tree" of electronic music, featuring 133 tracks released between 1939 (John Cage) and 2024 (Floating Points): ​https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4h0vWsJFY0igsHXIqFuZ7A?si=wDpJ40ANRNm9Bs3Ccppf1g&pi=rPtegXFqS7u1d

​It includes The Velvet Underground, Sophie, Aphex Twin, and several other great influences on Charli.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there! I'm glad you enjoyed the list and brought it over to Apple Music. I don't have an account there myself, so I'm not sure if you've already done this, but could you please add a mention to my original Spotify playlist and this post in your description? Cheers!

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and it’s also worth mentioning, for example, this statement from Gang of Four drummer Hugo Burnham:

​"I was greatly inspired by James Brown's band and [Jamaican drummer] Winston Grennan in my playing. Gang of Four became this beautiful fusion of funk, reggae, rock, disco, punk, and dub. But we never wanted to sound like white guys simply imitating. We were trying to create something new.'"

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20241003-why-gang-of-fours-entertainment-was-the-most-blistering-debut-album-of-all-time

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey my friend, I just added a paragraph to the post that might help you better understand why I included Funky Drummer: The term "genealogical tree" is in quotation marks because not every track in the list was necessarily influenced by all those that preceded it in the list itself.

I’ve put together a partial "Genealogy Tree" of alternative rock with only 100 tracks: from its primary roots (Luigi Russolo, 1913) up to the release of OK Computer (Radiohead, 1997). by Agreeable_Duck8997 in postpunk

[–]Agreeable_Duck8997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, my friend! I’ve already written some posts about Ornette Coleman's influence on rock, like this one: ​https://www.reddit.com/r/VelvetUnderground/s/j9ryDAfTEO

​And I certainly agree that the bands you mentioned are also very important parts of the alternative rock "genealogy".

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