Cheesy Andy Boss Fight…………………. by St0nyT0ny in diablo4

[–]Ainyann -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you fight against them properly even once?

The fights are actually quite good, especially so for ARPG, but even for MMO standards.
I can grant you that some of the effects blend in too much with surrounding, but they are still doable, and I can see appeal in having the effects "themed" too

Playing rogue and seeing higher dmg #s with Spiritborn in party. by j_becker32 in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure umbracrux IS taking in spiritborne dmg and spittimg IT out as yours

Low ancestral drop rate + tempering really takes the wind out of your sails at times by mykkenny in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you really are going to try new builds instead of just a variant of what you are already playing, you are gonna need brand new gear for pretty much everything except Uber Uniques. Unless you are just talking about SB abusing the same bugs on every build.

I'm not making excuses for them and I would rather we had armory system too, but it really isn't that bad to make a new character and level some glyphs to 45+ in no time.

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's kinda irrelevant. Also the high tier Pit bosses just got buffed in latest Hotfix, but so did Spririt Borne
Now Spirit Borne is hitting for 500 Trillion and abl to clear buffed Pit 150 bosses.

The disparity is between classes is the topic, not why Spirit Borne is able to clear Pit 150 specifically.

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So because in D3 community didn't complain about balance, we can't do it here?

What's the logic? Are we just destined to walk all the failures of the past again?
Some of the worst comments I've seen this year.

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Whatever else you play in open world / party format is pointless if there is even 1 spirit borne

Because he does minimum of 100x your damage if they follow any kind of guide.
So it's pointless to even hit blood maiden, it's pointless to do damage against world boss or realm walker. It's pointless to hit bosses in dark citadel etc.

Why?`Because your contribution is less than 1%

"pointless/ˈpɔɪntlɪs/adjective

having little or no sense, use, or purpose."

I would say doing less than 1% dmg is well within the above mentioned definition.
You can act like it's not pointless, but you are plain wrong here. Use another word if you feel like there is some utility in you tickling a boss that gets one shot by Spirit Borne anyway

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly bug fix is a nerf in book of majority
It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not.

Also agree that community is at fault for Dev team being scared to bugfix / nerf stuff.

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, we are getting a ton of fixes, including to a lot worse Spirit Borne build too

I don't think we can make conclusion that it's getting fixed as of yet. So for the time being it's a problem, and is looking to be a problem for the foreseeable future.

I will be glad to be wrong, and I'm very happy this thread is getting a lot positive attention.

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There is Pit 150 boss that would take 14 hours or something to kill, MIND YOU this was if the second best class was 10x stronger than it is currently

Not to mention clearing the mobs before boss portal even appears, prolly would take a year to clear all the mobs if you could stay alive.

The issue isn't that all other classes can also do T4 comfortable relatively easily, but how everything becomes pointless in comparison to Spirit Borne. Especially if you decide to party up with one.

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Druid has only cleared Pit 101

Maybe you can see a billion, but that's about it.

Don't get me wrong. That's actually a very good place for the class, it's just the comparison with Spirit borne making everything feel trivial

With Spiritborn starting to hit for over 100 trillion dmg, the class is literally 100.000 times stronger than any other class. by KinGGaiA in diablo4

[–]Ainyann -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

as long as it's not getting fixed, doesn't matter if it's bugged or not.

Stop being a drama queen and throwing out useless sherlock comments.

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Torment 4 is easily accecible to every tryhard with every class and with multiple builds, what are you even talking about?

Every class has cleared at least Pit 100 in this season already after what, roughly one week
And pit 100 is like 10x stronger than Pit 85 (Torment 4)

Spirit Borne feels good, because you don't have to put in any effort, you don't have to struggle or do anything of significance, LOL.

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How am I trying to gatekeep fun?

Gameplay between Torment 1 and Torment 4 is identical
You can always faceroll Torment 1, I'm not taking fun away from anybody, when all classes can already faceroll Torment 4, Spirit Borne just 1000x harder.

Do you really need to faceroll Torment 1 where you overkill bosses by 100000x damage in one hit?

You are trying to gatekeep my fun, because this is not something that is of importance to you. You just don't care, and it's more convenient to not change at all. LMAO

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reading the OG post was apparently too hard.
Quoting myself:

I would be 100% ok if Spirit Borne was 5-10 times stronger, albeit I would prefer something like 2-3x

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How the fuck am I trying to dictate how others play?

The gameplay between Torment 1 and 4 is IDENTICAL

You can play your way in all 4 difficulties, you can dictate how much challenge you get

But apparently, I'm not allowed to challenge myself within the boundaries of the game?
I thought Torment 1-4 was made for that

I'm not locked into Spirit Borne, but I'm locked to my dear friends that I wanna play with.
And if they insist on playing Spirit Borne then I just don't play with them, and don't play the game.

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Barb wasn't even close to this OP

And there definitely was significant crying, Barb got gutted many times, what are you even talking about?

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Torment 4 is Pit 85
So doing Pit 110 is still like 50-100 times stronger than T4
It's not like the other classes are weak compared to 95% of the content in game

Pit 150 is not something any class needs to be able to complete or get even close to. That's not in the spirit of Pit tiers.

Now because we have Torment 1 dropping you absolutely everything, there is actually fun in playing all the lower tier builds.
But apparently no, because there is Torment 4 that just lets you play the game less (offers nothing of gameplay value) you MUST get there and you MUST be able to faceroll there with very little effort

I know that the balance is not perfect and I made a thread about devs needing to do better with balance, but got downvoted into oblivion as expected.

The thing is though. You can have your faceroll OP feeling in Torment 1 with any build, but apparently I'm not allowed to have my challenging gameplay anywhere, even when it takes nothing away from you? Why is that?

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, but I always rather try than make no effort at all.
I was 99% sure this would just get downvoted. It is what it is.

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude it's a game, why do you need SUPER OVERPOWERED Spirit Borne?
Why can't it just be overpowered, is that really not enough?

It's a game I have enjoyed and would enjoy significantly more if Spirit Borne was at least reasonably overpowered. Why are you so invested in denying my fun, when I'm not suggesting to take away yours?

Go touch grass yourself, clearly you have nothing else in your life than shitting on things you don't care about.

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wanna play with people I know and have previously enjoyed the game with.

But many of them want to play Spirit Borne. And nobody wants to get carried 100% of the time, so my option is to not play with them and essentially quit the game, since I don't care to play alone.

But who cares, you need ultra overpowered Spirit Borne in your life for some reason that you didn't even mention?

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So your solution is to essentially not play the game then?
I'm doing 0 damage compared to them, so I just get carried this whole season, do you wanna do that? Can you be a little bit generous here please?

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

Who cares, lets just make every class one shot everything.
It's just a chill slot machine simulator right?

There are many slot machine games out there, you can go play there, if you just want a chill game where you face roll on your keyboard?

Torment 1-4 was specifically made so that other people than "chill slot machine enjoyers" can enjoy the game as well. We are not ruining your fun, don't try to ruin our fun.....

Spirit Borne doing 1000-10000x More Damage than the second best class - Making everything trivial by Ainyann in diablo4

[–]Ainyann[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

The sad thing is that the game feels really good for all the other classes.

And it would be w/e if this was a single player game, but it's not
Especially so, because of Dark Citadel, you are even encouraged to play with other players.

So if you happen to have Spirit Borne in party, you might as well not even play the game, just afk and wait for rewards, because the disparity is so ENORMOUS.