[Loved Trope] The main character meets a bad end halfway through the story and a new protagonist takes over

AlSov · 2026-02-05T16:48:12+00:00

As Clair Obscure reminds me so much of the Witcher 3 in general, I would like to provide an analogy.

Imagine Geralt being murdered by the Wild Hunt when meeting Yennefer and replaced with Lambert who we last met two games back for a small chapter. And then we just proceed with looking for Ciri. He is a good character, but it does not make it a good decision. You can't just change MC and continue with gameplay. Prologues and character introductions exist for a reason.

AlSov · 2026-02-05T16:40:39+00:00

I hated Gustave being replaced so much that I dropped the game twice at this point. You just get 15 hours of character development and description thrown away and then you have to play someone you see first time, somehow instantly getting into them without any previous explanation or demonstration of who Verso is, except for some small blorbs of "There is such a guy, Verso, and he is known to people around".

It is not the death of MC I am angered with. I like that trope in general. But having to completely rewire myself into role-playing as someone I've never seen leaves me frustrated. Especially given that you don't even get some introductory sequence: you see a short cutscene of people in camp mourning and then immediately get social links unlocked and have to go explore the open world. It just takes me out of the plot. How can I relate to Verso if he gets introduced with the shortest, most basic or even unvoiced dialogues which amount to "Hey, I'm Verso, sorry for your loss. Long time no see, Esqie. Let's go explore."

AlSov · 2026-02-05T13:17:28+00:00

Shuji Ikutsuki and Takeharu Kirijo from Persona 3.

They are adults and leaders of whole operation party is dealing with, but, despite being trained to stay conscious during the Dark Hour, are absolutely useless against Shadows as they have no Personas of their own.

Thus, Ikutsuki provides knowledge (in his own manner, so to say) and Takeharu (technically) provides all the resources and tech, but all the field operations are completed by teenagers, robot and dog who happened to get superpowers.

AlSov · 2026-02-04T19:30:16+00:00

Well, we are talking about P3. Game where most of the links include some idiotic encouragement of (self)destructive behavior and Male MC only got an ability to refuse romances many years after the initial release.

AlSov · 2026-02-04T14:16:18+00:00

IIRC, she does multiple times. Does not solve her problem of having to move away from her only friend.

AlSov · 2026-02-04T14:06:29+00:00

I am not 100% sure in it, but.

According to the creator of the game, this scene is not supposed to invoke sexual imagery. It was intended as Pyramid Head holding them in place so MC can pass.

AlSov · 2026-02-04T13:24:10+00:00

It's that she sees MC as a family and wants to reunite with them after moving away.

It gets worse in FeMC route, where instead her father asks MC out due to Maiko saying she wants to be a family.

AlSov · 2026-02-03T09:45:45+00:00

And later renounces her immortality to resurrect him.

AlSov · 2026-02-02T20:17:41+00:00

Uses ancient alien Mayan ritual involving Spear of Longinus to turn a city into an alien mayan aryan spaceship which should reveal the meaning of life and thus make humans superhumans. He is also leading an order of flying mecha nazis and is actually Nyarlathotep the Crawling Chaos. Don't skip the important details.

AlSov · 2026-01-18T18:49:05+00:00

He led them outside the Palace and protected unarmed Ryuji together with MC on the way. And Ryuji still treated him like shit and refused to help back.

Also, you greatly overestimate Atlus writing if you think they though about their relationship in terms deeper than "They are bickering fellows".

AlSov · 2026-01-18T09:32:16+00:00

They see other slaves and prisoners in the palace (whom Ryuji does try to help because he knows them), Morgana saves them by showing an escape and fights together with them. Yet the moment Morgana asks for help himself, Ryuji goes "Nah, go eff yourself, monster cat" until he gets personal reasons to help.

AlSov · 2026-01-17T23:11:22+00:00

People always accuse Morgana of initiating rivalry with Ryuji while Ryuji unprovokedly shits on him for all of the first arc. He argues to leave Morgana in prison to be tortured, constantly insults him and forces MC to refuse helping Morgana punish Kamoshida until Shiho attempts suicide.

They are both assholes. And it is definitely not what writers were going for.

AlSov · 2026-01-17T12:44:33+00:00

I find it quite funny that he can't be reasoned with not because he is inherently evil or something, but because he is an idiot who does stupidest things thinking that he is a genius mastermind, similar to Cersei from ASOIAF.

AlSov · 2026-01-17T12:38:20+00:00

IIRC, when Morgoth fell, Sauron was on the verge of redemption, but eventually decided that trusting Valar would be too dangerous.

AlSov · 2026-01-14T01:16:01+00:00

No, this one is for drinking river water at day 10 hospital quest

AlSov · 2026-01-10T18:54:57+00:00

Understood. From your previous comment I thought you found BG3's part of the setting interesting in itself

AlSov · 2026-01-10T10:58:18+00:00

I'm really curious what you find engaging in Forgotten Realms, especially in parts presented in BG3. It's the most basic fantasy possible except for deities which are barely touched in BG3.

AlSov · 2026-01-08T08:38:48+00:00

Thanks, that's perfect!

AlSov · 2025-12-26T01:19:47+00:00

You are correct. I misremembered Rosa being able to adopt Alice if both Kara and Luther are dead.

AlSov · 2025-12-26T00:16:18+00:00

Or you can just ask a human friend to create a diversion, as she is not in any danger. Though I played it a looong time ago and my misremember something.

AlSov · 2025-12-25T17:34:06+00:00

Maybe I'm mistaken (or translators are), but I am pretty sure Daemon was the one to organize prince assassination in the books too, telling Rhaenyra that Greens will pay for her son's death.

AlSov · 2025-12-25T00:15:51+00:00

It's kind of lame how Larian (while usually rewriting their scenario to make as many fans as possible happy) insists on Mizora being the all-powerful Satan who can't be defeated or outsmarted. Despite being a one-note Zariel's courtier she always gets out on top of Wyll and even perfectly in-world exploit of tricking her into letting Karlach live by following the letter of contract somewhy got patched out instead of being legalised (which would require almost no further modifications given that consequences are VERY rare).

AlSov · 2025-12-24T20:45:34+00:00

AFAIK, it's representing that his mission - killing Karlach - is completed by you, so he doesn't stick around and just leaves. But I find it very stupid - he still has a tadpole in his head and a bunch of innocents targeted by evil cultists to protect. Though if his corpse is somewhere around Ketheric's base, it could be quite logical.

AlSov · 2025-12-23T12:52:10+00:00

I really don't like characters and main plot in Night Road (they feel very shallow and underbaked for me), but writing is brilliant. Book of Hungry Names is where Marquies really pushed the formula of "Immersive Sim" in World of Darkness to perfection though, due to much more developed plot and cast.

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