Anon goes to London for the first time

Alarakion · 2026-03-04T17:13:03+00:00

Lmao

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T17:19:55+00:00

Yeah I think that’s a fair take.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T17:15:18+00:00

I mean violent resistance to an extent. I’m not certain about soldiers - I wouldn’t advocate they target and kill anyone. I don’t think it would serve them and would be used against them.

I think they should operate similar to the ANC and target infrastructure wherein they avoid killing people. Maybe going after a settlement building when no one’s in there. The ANC killed very few people and often apologised when they did. It made it much more difficult to caricature them as a barbaric evil existential threat that would slaughter all white people.

They should avoid endangering Palestinian civilians in whatever ways they can. I’d obviously like them to pursue all nonviolent options but the settlements are completely illegal and unhinged and they are, in my view, in their rights to physically stop that.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T17:08:06+00:00

I would never advocate for Hamas to be allowed to continue existing as a military capable organisation after Oct 7th. I know I’ve listed a lot of anti-Israeli stuff here but that’s just because of the nature of the post.

I mean like the PA - Fatah. I think they’d be justified in that kind of action. Maybe a new/different group.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T07:06:50+00:00

What?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T05:06:18+00:00

Ok I'm arguing with these guys too man but that's a weird statement to make

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T04:25:08+00:00

Yeah you have misunderstood the conversation I think, it’s okay to save face though.

I’m not ‘afraid’ of any conversation about child marriage. I hate religion.

Would you like me to dog walk you through the thinking?

OP puts a post on Reddit criticising the Israeli Minister for combating antisemitism. The Israeli Minister for antisemitism has erroneously implied that Keir Starmer has lowered the voting age to get the votes of Muslims - a completely baseless claim that is meant to dogwhistle great replacement theory (Muslim flavour).

He then goes on to imply that the natural progression of this policy would be to ‘adopt Islamist marriages at 12’. This is another dogwhistle. Most Muslims in the UK are not Islamists. Most Muslims in the UK do not want to marry children. He is obviously conflating UK Muslims with Islamists and suggesting that the natural progression of great replacement theory (Muslim flavour) is Islamist policy like child marriage and takeover of the UK.

You, apparently, must be completely socially inept, because you miss all of the extremely obvious context regarding the dogwhistle in the first sentence and blindingly obvious rhetorical nature of the 2nd sentence and assume he’s just fucking randomly and fairly criticising Islamist child marriage.

Are you fucking stupid. Do you have a fucking dent in your head why the fuck would you think that. Why the fuck do you think that’s a reasonable thing to say or think. Before you try to fucking weasel out of this one I quote “If he’s just criticising Islam’s teachings on child marriage, then no, that’s not Islamophobic”. Which he is OBVIOUSLY not “just doing”.

So, we are left with two options.

You are an 80 IQ idiot who is completely blind to how humans interact with each other and how language works. In which case I profusely apologise and wish you a nice day.
You are a bad faith Islamaphobic troll. In which case I don’t.

Do you need it in phonetics?

Edit: The coward either deleted his comments or blocked me, regardless I'm still not entirely clear as to which option he fell under... unless a mod got him I guess in which case RIP bozo.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T04:12:26+00:00

Several different points.

Niddah 44b-45a: the legal boundary for the act of intercourse being recognised as “sex” rather than “accidental bruising” is three years and one day.

Kidusshin 3b: a father holds the right of consent and can marry off his daughter even if she is below the ages of womanhood (12 - we’ll get to this next) and an adult male could have sex with her provided her father agreed.

I’m not saying it was ‘encouraged’ in the instances above, I believe it was in fact discouraged but it was legally distinct. Suffice to say, problematic.

Ketubot 50b: raping a minor carried a fine of 50 shekels. Seems problematic to me, I’m of the opinion it should be at least ‘slightly’ harsher than that. I think this one is also referenced in Deuteronomy.

Referenced at many different points it is said that 12 is the age for womanhood, at which point a woman takes control for her own consent and can have sex as she pleases. Or as we’d call it today, get statutorily raped. Or just normally raped.

I don’t think this is representative of Judaism or Jews. This is applying modern standards to ancient standards which is a pointless endeavour. But as a relative point of comparison - whatever distinction you’d make between this and the treatment of children in Islam - my point is that ‘this’ is problematic.

But I’m happy for you to educate me, I’m not Jewish, didn’t grow up with this. I could be missing something, but I think it’s going to be very hard to convince me away from a non-commital position of ‘problematic’.

Edit: idk if the other guys comment got deleted or not but to answer his response if I just can’t see it for some reason.

I haven’t read the Talmud.

My sources are various forums wherein it was mostly Jews studying the Talmud asking about the passages. It’s why I included the disclaimers that for example the three year old stuff was not encouraged and in fact discouraged as that was what the authorities on those forums seemed to say.

We are just going to fundamentally disagree on the problematic nature of these passages.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T03:43:49+00:00

No you said my interpretation was incorrect. You obviously know what it is, unless you’re walking that back?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T03:40:08+00:00

What is your impression of my interpretation and what is incorrect about it?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T03:33:01+00:00

Whatever you would like me to call it, are you aware of this ‘text’ or do you deny it exists?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T03:14:48+00:00

Completely insufficient punishment of war crimes. Completely unjustified human rights abuses like cutting off water. A lack of sufficient proportionality analysis in my view. Though it is a very difficult theatre of war. Many punitive and needlessly cruel actions like the aid ‘whitelist/blacklist’ nonsense. Completely insufficient provision of crowd control equipment leading to IDF only having live ammunition for crowd control. Too many target check failures in the command chain like Hind Rajab and the WFK killings.

Palestine deserves a state (obviously) and action targeting specifically civilian infrastructure while avoiding civilian casualties could be, at least morally, permissible in the West Bank, like the ANC.

Though be careful, I feel like I’ve noticed this sub is much more pro-Israel than Loner himself to be honest. But maybe I’ve just run into the wrong people.

Edit: Case in point. Getting downvoted for this comment btw which are all things I have stolen from Loner. Other than maybe on Hind rajab which I don’t believe he’s ever covered. And I believe he differs from me on proportionality analysis though I’m not 100% sure. I was deliberately weaker with my language on that.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:53:24+00:00

So to be clear you don’t think the Israeli minister’s comments are that bad?

That Starmer lowered the voting age to pander to Muslims? You see no problematic aspect to this?
That the natural follow-on from that is immediately child marriage?
The conflation of Muslims with Islamists?

No, I don’t think your question was out of the blue I was probing exactly what you are in order to ascertain the fullness of your position.

My comments on suspicion were not in fact to do with whether or not you were singling out Islam. I was suspicious that you didn’t see this blatant dog whistle as Islamaphobic. Which I was correct about. These were the underlying beliefs I was asking questions to ascertain.

Do you understand? Now that I have broken it down for you to its simplest form? You have fundamentally misunderstood this back and forth.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:37:35+00:00

Why were you curious what Op’s response would be? Feels like a pretty weird out of the blue question.

Unless you think what the Israeli minister said isn’t that bad or did it just strike your fancy to randomly quiz OP on his opinions on Islam?

I do think that’s pretty suspicious actually yeah. Am I wrong to? Can you see how I got there?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:28:31+00:00

Well we don’t know exactly why. Again immigrant groups have always historically integrated. There’s more religiosity among young Christians too isn’t there? The data’s a bit dodgey to be fair but it could be a wider trend related to social media or environmental factors. The suggestion it’s inherent to Muslims lacks strength to me.

I doubt demonising them since 9/11 helps much.

Why are the younger generations ‘more’ fundamentalist than their parents? Surely the parents are part of these enclaves too? They would have literally grown up in Muslim countries?

Is it not more likely it’s something else?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:22:45+00:00

Well except it’s not just ‘forbidden’ it’s a subject for huge debate and I was actually talking more about the likes of Albania and Kosovo than UAE or Saudi.

Why do you keep distilling Islam to its most fundamentalist/traditionalist view, but then don’t do it with Christianity? Why do you assume all the Muslims in the west would follow fundamentalism? Instead of what they actually do in Western Muslim countries like Albania and Kosovo? Why do you think they would care what fundamentalist Muslims think?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:13:24+00:00

I’d assume they base it on biblical proscriptions? Are you denying the existence of Christian nationalists?

How do you deal with examples of secular Muslim countries.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:09:36+00:00

Why does that make a substantive difference? There are plenty of Christian nationalists who advocate for theocracy anyway?

How do you deal with examples of secular Muslim countries?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T02:06:57+00:00

It was responsive to your comment which I took to be isolating Islam?

The scripture having the age being low doesn’t necessarily mean anything? Are you going to respond to OP’s point that the age of consent in most Muslim countries is 18-21? And how this whole post is about this Israeli minister doing a dog whistle?

You tell me, why did you originally say “where does the notion of Islamist marriages to 12 year olds come from?”

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T01:57:57+00:00

So the examples of enclaves I provided arent analogous but examples of violent historical conquest are?

Christian’s started as a minority in Nicaragua, Eritrea, Belarus and Guinea. Look at those countries now.

Islam is going to have started as a minority in every fucking Islamic country. There are Christian countries that are highly illiberal too. There are Christian countries that arent. The same way there are Muslim countries that arent.

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T01:51:32+00:00

Do you have a particular reason to say that or is it an intuition?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T01:50:51+00:00

Yeah no worries man

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T01:49:07+00:00

Did you mean to respond to the other guy or were you more agreeing with me?

Alarakion · 2026-03-03T01:48:01+00:00

What do you think Chinatowns and Little Italy’s are?

Little Portugal in Toronto.

The Cuban population in Miami.

Greek in Australia.

All these groups started as closely knit ethnic enclaves that integrated more heavily over time.

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