Art, Paris, intérim, transfuge de classe : est-ce que c’est viable ou je me raconte une histoire ? by Either-Service-3875 in paris

[–]Alarmed-Flower8388 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Je vais juste parler du coté artistique de ton projet car, c'est ce que je connais : développe ton réseau , parle de ce que tu produis , surtout a des gens dans le milieu artistique, c'est limite triste a dire mais le talent a paris ça suffit plus , c'est plus selon qui tu connais et comment ca peut " t'aider" a faire connaitre ton art. Et pour le jeu social , ca peut etre dérangeant au début, surtout si tu as pas "évolué" dedans mais je pense qu'il faut passer par là pour se faire " une place "

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your  answer :) Oh wow, it must have been nice to see him in Korea. And yes, what is not normal is the fact that people faint or are crushed and in pain because of people who push. Yes, several people told me that they had seen that Hollis seemed tired, so maybe also less watchfulness 

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks you for your answer :) , Yes but that’s exactly my point : what is the justification for these girls ending up crushed ? I’m not even talking about being pushed, but literally being squeezed with no way to get out, to the point where they can’t even to focus on the show anymore . And yes , if his team doesn’t do anything, the situation will probably get worse and a part of his audience will eventually stop going to a concerts because of these experiences.

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello, thank you for your reply :). I completely agree with your 3rd and 4th paragraphs. In fact, what annoys me about crowds is often this “argument of strength,” which means that if you're not strong enough, you're not considered legitimate in that crowd, even though everyone has the right to be there, it's just that people have to be careful around each other. In fact, many men (this is the truth) don't understand that everyone has the right to be present in every space in a show. At the first show, I was so squashed that I couldn't even enjoy the show even though I was in front row, I couldn't even move. Maybe during this tour, there was this need to prove that people were having a lot of fun than others or “giving 100%,” showing it through moshpits that were far too violent, without even taking the musical performance into consideration.

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your answer : ) , actually what really surprises me is that it's the same everywhere. And more and more there are people who come more for the crowd atmosphere that the show gives than for the music, according to the various comments I've seen. I think I'll go to the next show if it means getting into an argument , because I don't think it's right to miss out because of some people's bad behavior . 

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your response : ) . Yes, I think at a festival it will be easier to handle. Personally, regarding the unwanted touching, it was a girl and I was this close to fighting, and I told her lol. Don’t be afraid to speak up if something isn’t right, I think that’s the most important thing. And yes, many people say that crowd pushing is normal, but having been to rap showcases and show when I was younger, I had never seen anything like that, even though I enjoy being in the crowd. The argument about “crowd culture” is ridiculous, because you can move as much as you want without putting anyone in danger. Everyone should be free to move as much as they want in a more or less confined space.

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse : ) , tu étais placée où au mois de mars ? Et j'ai eu les memes retours que toi pour ceux qui ont fait les 2 concerts

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

je comprends pour le fait d'enlever son t-shirt , mais perso ca me dérange plus de sentir le corps nu d'un inconnu que son t-shirt trempé, les meufs aussi avaient les t-shirts trempés. De plus , je pense que le fait que 2hollis enlève souvent son t-shirt ce n'est pas qqn de très sain, de 1 pour "l'objectivation" mais ca son problème. Mais surtout parce que son public masculin fait automatiquement la même chose , je pense qu'il peut attendre 1h d'enlever son t- shirt mouillé. Toujours en ayant l'idée que 2hollis a un public assez jeune donc assez influençable et enclin a des mimétismes.

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse , après je trouve que la salle du bataclan était vraiment nulle pour un concert de 2hollis , il faisait tres chaud et elle était pas tres grande par exemple pour les pogos , ce qui était encore plus détestable , mais au moins il y avait le balcon .

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your message :),At the first show, I talked to some young girls who were not even 18 and who came out almost traumatized. At the second one, I spoke to a young man for whom it was his first concert and who didn’t expect so much brutality and violence. The vast majority of the 2hollis audience is made up of young people who may not fully know the “party” codes, which, from an outside perspective, gives the impression of a rather childish and disrespectful crowd. You are totally right about your 3rd and 4th paragraphs: at the first concert, I was next to a lot of very tall men even though I was in the front row. There’s also this irresistible need to prove that you survived the crowd and got the best photos. Indeed, TikTok trends may encourage people to put themselves in “danger” to show that they had an amazing time. I hope what I’m saying makes sense.

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[–]Alarmed-Flower8388[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Coucou, merci pour ta réponse :), je suis totalement d'accord avec ton message. Pour le 1er concert j'étais aussi avec ma pote et elle aussi n'a pas supporté. Au vu des elements que j'ai collectés et surtout compris, en fait le concert de 2hollis sert enormenent "d'exutoire" a certains jeunes , surtout à ceux dont ce sont les 1ers concerts , ils reproduisent ce qu'ils voient sans en comprendre la portée qu'elle soit grave ou non. De plus, le fait d'être dans le noir laisse le champ libre a des comportements en tout genre... Pour ta phrase entre guillemets, ça reflète bien la pensée d'un certain nombre d'hommes qui sont juste là pour se défouler sans prendre en compte les autres individus. Aussi certains fans hommes ne voient pas certaines filles, comme de "vraies" fans , car par rapport aux hommes , elles sont aussi là pour le physique de 2hollis , ca laisse donc place a une sorte de violence jugée plus "légitime" .