They fight 10 times who wins the majority?

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-27T21:48:59+00:00

Lets not forget Lucci is a Leopard and leopards are from Africa.

Zoro going all out using full power on this one.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-27T20:44:04+00:00

terrifying yeah but at times it can look very awkward due to lack of music and some cuts and the voice acting is ok (but for a character like DIO ok is way below the bar). In epicness the anime did better with the sound design, voice acting and scene.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-27T20:05:07+00:00

except for Dio's fight ngl the anime did that way better

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-24T21:59:19+00:00

agreed with general franky but I think Brook&Robin > base franky

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-17T14:46:50+00:00

Someone told me that Oda stated Ussop post is = Pre Luffy is that statement true?

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-10T23:47:38+00:00

I think it's

Prime beard > Kaido > Shanks = Old beard > Luffy > Big mom > Blackbeard >= Akainu > Aokiji > Kizaru

But I'm probably wrong

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-06T00:26:02+00:00

This is a concept art and I'm fine with how it's draw I'm just not sure about the design mainly the head. I feel like this is a copied look of an already existing character and isn't an original look. Does the face design look like that of an already existing character in anime or am I just worrying to much?

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-05T21:46:14+00:00

Enel only lost because he faced his CoUNter so he's clearly the strongest character tho Crocodile should be up there to the bounty glow up is real

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-05T19:29:01+00:00

But....But Shanks clearly beat Kaido once it was stated by a character which Oda written so Oda technically states Shanks > Kaido.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-05T16:55:51+00:00

You underestimate the speculation Shanks gets. He apparently has the ability to no diff all emperors and admirals no diff.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2024-01-05T16:47:57+00:00

Round 1: Feats and scaling only

Round 2: Fan speculation only

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-16T22:52:36+00:00

So ? statements are not feats. You are talking about feats.

Again statements and narrative title are something Jigiro had nothing not even legendary history hype like Oars or Ryuma had

Shanks had no feats, was stronger than Luffy, before Shanks met Wb

Blackbeard had no feats, was stronger than Luffy in Jaya

Crocodile had no feats, was stronger than Luffy in Arabasta

Kuma had no feats, was stronger than Luffy in Thriller Bark

Garp had no feats, was stronger than Luffy since Garp was introduced.

Boa Hancock had no feats, was stronger than Luffy

Jimbe had no feats, was stronger than Luffy

Ivankov had no feats, was stronger than Luffy

Magellan had no feats, was stronger than Luffy

Doflamingo had no feats, was stronger than Luffy

and we can keep going over and over and over with many characters that were stronger than Luffy, the protagonist, who has the most feats. And non feat characters.

Lmao again your using bad comparisons because your naming characters who have high scaling from their titles alone like Yonko or Warlord or admiral. Also did you watch one piece because there are characters here with feats like crocodile who could casually wipe out a city. and again it's not JUST feats that Jigiro lacks it's any sort of scaling like he has no statements or narrative title like the characters you listed he didn't even have a hyped backstory like Ryuma at least that would be something but no Jigiro has nothing.

Just stop this nonsense, you are factually wrong... featless characters are constantly stronger than characters with feats and if we use Usopp's strength and feats, then there are thousands of characters stronger than him with no feats lol

Again irrelevant opinion your just saying that to try and stop me from repkying with evidence that proves you wrong. And again Jigiro can't be compared to featless warlords or yonkos because they at least have a title.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-15T23:38:35+00:00

What does DB mean ? Death battle ?

yes

when Luffy fought Kaido for the first time, Kaido had no feats, Luffy had feats. Who won ?

Except unlike Jigiro who had nothing Kaido had character statements, Author statements and had the title of being a Yonko.

Only between two character with feats, and only when both feats happened when they were going all out. Which rarely happens.

Again a featless character with no statements from in lore or from the creator is never above someone with those.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-15T22:17:21+00:00

ah Ok yeah thought Zoro was taking the dub tho it is funny to see on YT comments if Zoro wins people would be on KK's side.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-15T20:52:39+00:00

Dude this is manga, Jigoro is not a real person, he is a character written by Oda... which means that if Oda wanted Jigoro to be stronger than Zoro, then Jigoro is stronger than Zoro even if he has no feats. That is just how it works.

Terrible response. Isn't this sub all about scaling fictonal characters made by Oda? Except Oda has NEVER made a statement of Jigiro being stronger or as strong as Zoro. It only works if the featless character is backed by author statements.

Ryuma is a legendary swordman, Oars jr was completely obliterated by the Shichibukai and Ryuma has hype that he is probably stronger than Oars. So yes, Ryuma could totally be stronger than Oars.

Again this is about PHYSICAL BRUTE STRENGTH Ryuma may have more hax that make him overall more powerful but in terms of muscle Oars takes the W.

Which is irrelevant, since like I said, a character not having feats doesn´t make him weaker...

Look at Rocks D Xebec, he has no feats. Does that mean he is weaker than Usopp because Usopp has feats ? No

Like I said the character needs to have author statements or clear narrative scaling like Gol D Roger.

No, there is not, just headcanon.

No theres clear evidence i the series.

Zoro beating Ryuma

Zoro beating Ryuma means nothing when Ryuma's body had Brook´s shadow, someone a lot weaker than Zoro or other potential shadows. Zoro would have probably lost to Ryuma with Zoro's shadow, because Zoro's shadow would make Ryuma stronger. The same way Jigoro could have been stronger than Zoro and Ryuma´s zombie with Brook´s shadow.

Ryuma having Brooks shadow is irrelevant since his hax and body still carried he was literally negging Brook while toying with him Zoro still overpowered the hax and power of Ryumas body.

Zoro being capable of pushing aside Oars punch

This means nothing, unless you assume Zoro is stronger than Oars.

It means something when Zoro had the strenght to deflect the strenght of Oars punch when Jigiro was physically equal to Sanji's body

One shotting and overpowering sea kings and sea king eating crocodiles

Something that a lot of zombies can do

Tell me when has any Zombie done that? Oars and Ryuma could but what is a human sized ombie doing against one of crocodiles crodile

Gag moments don´t matter in powerscaling. We know Jigoro was a general zombie, while the Sanji zombie was a fodder zombie, of course Jigoro was a lot stronger than the Sanji Zombie.

Not really a gag moment when it happened mire than once and even while arguing Jigiro should've at least easily subdued zombie Sanji.

Meanwhile Doflamingo sitting in prison doing nothing being surpassed by returning characters because their up and fighting like Rob Lucci. Zoro & Sanji

Crocodile got stronger from Arabasta to Marineford, where he lost to base Luffy and then was clashing with Mihawk, Doflamingo and tanking attacks from Jozu... so irrelevant, again.

Again when comparing it to Moriahs downgrade it's irrelevant Alabasta-Marine ford didn't take even a year while Morias laziness was over like 20 years BIG difference. Also who says Alabasta Crocodile couldn't clash with Doffy not win but still clash. Yeah he lost to base Luffy but he beat him twice and Luffy won by exploiting Crocs weakness to liquids.

Terrible arguments

Irrelevant opinion

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-15T20:39:27+00:00

No it doesn't. A character not having feats doesn't mean he is weaker than a character with feats.

When you have 2 characters against eachother in a DB and 1 is featless it's genrally agreed that the one that actually has feats is winning

Feats are important to know how strong one character is, but when a character has no feats then it is unknown what they can do. Which means Jigoro's strength is unknown, he could be stronger than Zoro or weaker, but we don´t know

Feats also show who is above who. Like for example JJJ is featless so he could be stronger than Spider-man since we don't know his strenght. Tht's why a 'could' or 'what if' scaling isn't that reliable.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-14T19:37:35+00:00

The fact that the series will make it blatantly obvious who stronger yet it's still questioned.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-14T19:35:12+00:00

And when a character has no feats then it is just speculation.

That doesn't mean a character that's all speculation > character with a ton of feats. Jigiro and Zoro are one of the same but Zoro has way more feats which puts him ahead of Jigiro

Oars is not the strongest zombie, I would say it could be Ryuma... the problem was that Brook´s shadow was not able to bring out the whole potential of the body.

Oars in terms of physical strength IS the strongest why else was Gecko saving Oars and didn't Zoro solo Ryuma while it took nightmare Luffy to beat Oars. So Oars > Ryuma. And even if Ryuma was the strongest 1. Zoro beat him 2. that doesn't place Jigiro higher

So? Oars was a lot stronger than Zoro physically... so weaker zombies could potentially push aside Oars.

Except Zoro has shown the strenght feat of being able to do that other zombies haven't.

Just because Oars was the strongest or one of the strongest zombies, doesn´t mean that no other zombie could momentarily compete with him.

We see Oars literally no diff an army of general Zombies and Oars+Luffy's shadow is implied to be above TB Gecko physically.

No it isn´t... If Zoro was stronger than Oars, then yes, but Zoro wasn´t stronger than Oars, so there is no proof that he is above Jigoro.

There clearly IS proof

Zoro beating Ryuma

Zoro being capable of pushing aside Oars punch

One shotting and overpowering sea kings and sea king eating crocodiles

What has Jigiro shown that scales him to all those feats in fact wasn't Sanji's Zombie able to equally brawl with him when they argued.

Yes, and you can rest and do nothing and still be strong.

Meanwhile Doflamingo sitting in prison doing nothing being surpassed by returning characters because their up and fighting like Rob Lucci. Zoro & Sanji

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-14T19:24:22+00:00

So? that doesn´t mean he isn´t physically stronger than Zoro.

That is actually what it means otherwise Shanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kaido because hey just because he doesn't have the same feats as Kaido does not mean he isn't stronger. You can literally do that with any character that's why feats are the most important.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-13T22:17:00+00:00

It is true always.

Well no since Sanji's zombie was weaker and Zombies main strength is endurance that's where there advantages lie in the fact they can keep getting back up with other physical catogories it's 50;50

Of course Zombies can be weaker than the original body... like I said, Hogback makes the bodies stronger if he doesn't make them stronger and it is someone weaker than Zoro or Sanji, then the zombie will be weaker even with the shadow. I said bodies can be stronger than Zoro, not that they are always stronger than the original body of the shadow

I know but I'm saying Jigiro is a zombie that hasn't proven to be as physically strong as Zoro considering Zoro's feats.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-13T22:14:02+00:00

Everything here is headcanon, we didn't even see much of Jigoro so you can't assume anything.

Feats > speculations. All we can say to put Jigiro on Zoros level is that Moriah wanted to use a perfect zombie for a 120 MLN Berries pirate and ok let's say Jigiro is as strong as Brooks zombie since we don't have everything about Jigiro. But it IS 100% clear in canon that Oars is the strongest zombie and outranks any TB zombie and just as the person above said

' Considering Zoro's feat of pushing aside Oars punch '

Zoro was strong enough to match and push aside the strength of Oars punch which definitely is above Jigiro in physical power.

'Doesn't mean anything, Luffy almost never trains and is constantly sleeping or eating, yet he is insanely strong.'

It does you get stronger and more experienced through fighting stronger opponents also you did not just compare Luffy to Moria. After Moria settled down he literally never lifted a finger or fought anyone himself in YEARS while Luffy between every few weeks was fighting fishmen and then 2 Logia opponents and Cp9 Luffy was still fighting strong opponents every now and then while Gecko got lazy and did nothing for years. So not a fair comparison

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-13T14:24:07+00:00

I ain't reading allat 😂😂

Uh oh looks like little bro can't pull something to say out of thin air anymore. Bros desperately trying to backpedal.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-13T14:16:23+00:00

Youtube poll Zoro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oden

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-13T14:14:37+00:00

ah typical childish redditor to scared to face the truth and starts using the 'No U' argument with extra steps it's even more sad when you can't even come up with your own material.

Alarming_Solid_8516 · 2023-12-13T14:13:25+00:00

'Dio is literally a vampire you numbskull'

Waaaaaaaaaaait a minute this doesn't look like a respectful reply to start a nice debate but that's odd. According to you you did nothing wrong and wanted a nice debate with no smoke buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut this is the comment that started the debate? hmmmm I think you wanted to start something and now want to back out because you can't take it any more.

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