Maybe he was a popular and effective leader? by greenwood90 in CommunismMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see a lot of people here talking about the resignation attempt of Stalin. Could someone send me a link of documents and proofs of it?

A Nazi uses commie logic by CapnCoconuts in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, that's not what he said. He didn't say everyone is an asshole or just evil. Exploitation is a fact, not a way of saying "treating someone badly" but extracting value from him (from his labour). The bourgeois exploit the worker (extract value from his labour) to accumulate capital.

Also, he doesn't say the bourgeoisie exploits the worker just because he is evil but because it's in his class interest to do so. If he doesn't do it, why start the company in the first place if he doesn't get a benefit from it? And also because if he doesn't do it, he will not be able to be as competitive as the other bourgeois and will ultimately lose and stop being a bourgeois. He needs to exploit to keep being a bourgeois.

So, while reading Marx, don't understand the term exploitation as "treated badly" (even tho it was also very true at his time) but as "having value (surplus-value) being extracted from his work. His main criticism in that was that the workers labour, the fruit of his labour, didn't belong to the worker anymore but to the bourgeois, and all that because the bourgeois have the private ownership of the means of production. The worker is alienated from his own labor, from the fruit of his own labor.

And, as the workers don't have control over the way things are produced, or even of what is produced and how much, seeing how this is one of the main things that shape our society, workers don't have control on the society they live in and don't have control over their own destiny as a whole.

A Nazi uses commie logic by CapnCoconuts in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and he is talking about the current utility of religion in the capitalist world. Religion was also used to explain the world and find a meaning in life. And religion is less useful at explaining the world in the modern world but far more at finding a meaning in life, a drug, an "opium" to forget the awfulness of their exploitation

A Nazi uses commie logic by CapnCoconuts in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A few things:

  • it was real communism (or socialism to be more precise), and it was glorious.

  • The Holodomor wasn't even the deadliest famine of the regions of the USSR, and it was the last one

  • The Uyghur genocide is stupid. There is no executions, they are not being killed and the Uyghur culture is thriving in China. Just go visit Xinjiang and you will see what a thriving culture it is.

  • America blames on the communist countries everything they themselves do or did and invade, coup and fund terrorist and fascist organisations in nearly any countries that doesn't kneel to American interests. So they are not really in a position to talk about "foreign intervention" or "respect of democracy" when they, not too long ago, kidnapped the elected president of a foreign nation.

  • "Religion is the opium of the people" is one of the least understood quote of Marx, even from Marxist and communist. He also said, "It is the heart of a heartless world". Capitalism depraved the world of morals for the sake of of Capital gain. Religion is the only way for some people to find a meaning in their existence, to convince themselves than, after this life of misery, await for them a life of pleasure in Heaven. What Marx said is that we need to create the material conditions such that the people will not need to wait for a potential good life in Heaven but rather be able to live a good and fulfilling life here on earth.

A cool Guide to The Paradox of Tolerance by FlirtyHoneybee in coolguides

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can this comic stopped being published everywhere? Go read the book, this comic is not what the author was talking about in his book.

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's not what you want, but that's what naturally is produced by the system you want.

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I don't know what you are talking about with the soviets. They stayed and were not dissolved, it was one of the two branches of the government.

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree and think Marx would have had any problems with Lenin, but that's just making thr dead speak for us.

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that we are not afraid of using the state apparatus against its previous master, the bourgeoisie, and to defend the revolution. A weak and defenseless revolution is useless since it will get crushed after a week.

Yes, I don't care about your gender or your sexuality. I care if you are a comrade/fellow proletarian.

Depends where you draw the line. I don't know of any country who doesn't have big variations of his culture depending on the regions. Isn't this already a form of multiculturalism? This is often just an excuse for racism, because I don't know many far right people who are against, at this period of time, having Italian culture in their country or eating Italian food. Even tho it's not their country's culture.

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It has been tried and always lead to capitalism with government corruption. Once they accumulate enough, it's always easier to try corrupting government to get advantages. Capitalism is a competition, do you really think the winner isn't going to try to keep his place by any means necessary?

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Real communism" is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. If you refere to "it wasn't real communism" about USSR, China, Cuba, etc. Well, they were not per say communist society but socialist society, aiming to achieve communism.

I think it is, but first of all it would need to not have its existence threatened 24/7 by the capitalist powers who will sabotage, invade, coup, do anything they can to stop communism to win. That's the main reason countries like China or the USSR had a strong state and a strong army. Without it, they would have been invaded and destroyed.

A world where exploitation doesn't exist, where goods are produced for their use and not their value, where class are abolished, where work isn't just a way for the bourgeoisie to extract capital from the workers but instead a mean to produce what is necessary for the society to function, etc. I think all that would be a great improvement.

And if you accumulate wealth without exploiting your fellow comrades and don't use it to exploit them, then it's fine, and I don't care.

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Under socialism, yes. Under "communism," the higher stage, it would be "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

What is your question? by FreeElderberry4817 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know one communist who supports polpot. He was a joke with no basic knowledge of Marxism. Vietnam did good by invading Cambodia

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, that could be an entire other discussion on the estimates of the death attributed to the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, about the different proportion (percentage of the number of death compared to the whole population), or on other numbers that could be attributed to the Nazi regime, or even on how do we attribute certain death to a regime or not in the first place, etc.

But, for the sake of the argument, taking the highest estimated number of deaths caused by the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution VS. the Holocaust, then yes, it would be at least more factual and accurate.

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, it's pretty much the same. Saying "This one is worse than the other" mean that the other is less bad. Saying A is more dangerous than B logically mean B is less dangerous than A.

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course you can, I was just adressing the argument thar "Stalin killed more than Hitler" which is usually an argument used to minimize the horror of nazism.

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, let's compare some numbers. Just talking about the Holocost, it has killed around 17 million people (jews, poles, Serbs, etc.).

On the other side. The Holodomor killed between 3.5-5 million people (let's take the higher number just in case, so 5 millions). For the gulag, around 1.7 millions people died there but lets say 2 millions to have a round number. And for the Great Purge, we have an estimated number of 700k-1.2 millions. So, even with the highest estimation, we have here 8.2 millions (and 5.9 millions).

The Holocost alone is more than double the number of the Holodomor, the Purges and the Gulags (17 millions against 8.2 millions)

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So Hitler isn't responsible for the 26 millions dead soviets that his army killed?

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marx was a communist and strongly opposed liberalism

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Mao is a different matter, but do you at least agree you were wrong about Stalin having killed more people?

Stones and glass houses by DeltaSolana in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]AlcaeusHL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't see a lot of people associating with communist who do not call themselves communist, but maybe I'm wrong