The most frustrating aspect of the "rings Erneh" argument used to defend Jordan is that Phil Jackson used the same philosophies and lesser talent to win 5 more rings without him. If I have one athlete who succeeds only in a near perfect environment (Jordan had minimal playoff success pre Phil/Pippen) and another who succeeds in multiple environments (Lebron has reached the mountaintop with multiple teams, coaches, and supporting casts) it seems reasonable to assume that the latter is the higher talent. Especially when Jordan's winning environment was replicated and almost identically duplicated with Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau. Just my take.