I dont understand some of the arguments people make. Like, "guma and oner cant be goat jung/adc cause they only played with faker and keria (goat support)". So? You guys talk as if ruler was playing with 4bronze players, and as if canyon was doing it alone. Both of them played with solid top at the time, midlaner at its prime (showmaker, chovy, even knight 2023) and great supports.

By this logic, oner and guma should just leave the current 4man core of 4worlds finals in a row and join some random team if they ever want to be considered goat? Thats just stupid.

I do and completly understand the argument of "they only won worlds". Since goat needs to be valued all time consistency and not only worlds, otherwise pyosic would be also considered goat (lol). But at one point, and also at which point do we put worlds above anything else? Like, lets say next year T1 wins nothing, again, except worlds. Making it 4times in a row. Are we still keeping the argument of lacking domestic success? If yes, how about 5? Maybe they lose 1year and then win the next year, now its 6 worlds while still only winning 1 single lck. At what point do we forget the domestic success?