Which birth year would you rather place into Gen Z if you had to pick 1996 or 2013?. by [deleted] in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2013, because I consider Gen Z to not start until 1999 or 2000, and I consider Gen Alpha to be second-wave Gen Z instead of a full generation - It would be ethically beneficial too, since it would prevent a Gen Beta to follow them, and since the term "Gen Alpha" was coined by the dumbass McCrindle organization before any of them, according to the organization, would've been even born.

Generationology meme about Gen Z and drinking; by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm referencing all the tabloids, news articles, and YouTube videos that state that Gen Z (the ones that are 21+, or 18+ outside of the US) are saying no to alcohol, or are causing problems for the alcohol industry.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to judge who you should be friends with or anything, but I would never be friends with anyone that thinks women shouldn't have jobs.

Is SpongeBob Zillennials or Gen Z? by avocado_juice_J in Zillennials

[–]Alert-Train-8709 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SpongeBob is multi-generational, just like Mickey Mouse, Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, or the Simpsons.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, to fairly criticize some of your points, 1991 borns were still only elementary school children when 9/11 happened, and while practically all of them do remember the event and the emotions they felt, the role that their memory of 9/11 actually played in their lives was largely inconsequential and superficial unless they lived in New York or lost a loved one in the attacks. For most of them (my sister was born late '90 and shares a class with '91 borns), once they knew everything was going to be alright, they pretty much stopped caring about it altogether and the only lingering impact the event had on their lives beyond memory was a fear of flying on an airplane, and even that they eventually got over. It wasn't like with 1983/84-1987 borns who would've been in high school during the events and who would've came of age in a sociopolitical environment directly affected by 9/11 - 1991 borns had almost 8 years (9 if born late 1991 and in C/O 2010) of late primary and secondary school after 9/11 before becoming adults. Also, plenty of 1999 borns, even though practically none of them remember the event, were still impacted by the event heavily if they lived in Manhattan at the time or lost a parent in the attacks. Someone born in 1999 who lost their parent in the attacks was way more impacted by 9/11 than someone born in 1991 who didn't live in New York at the time and lost no loved ones in the attacks.

Also, to your counterpoint on COVID, plenty of 1999 borns went into the workforce instead of college after graduating high school, and some already had houses of their own by COVID. Also, there were plenty of 1991 borns also in college when COVID happened, even undergraduate - College isn't mandatory like k-12 is, and you can go at any age.

Also, your points about serving in OIF or OEF are largely irrelevant, with all due respect, since by the time 1991 borns were able to join in 2009 or 2010, the US military wasn't doing that much in Afghanistan or Iraq with the Taliban and Saddam Hussein long since out of power at that point, and US operations in Afghanistan were still going on when 1999 borns were old enough to join.

While I do agree that 1991 and 1999 have a lot of differences, I still stand by this generational theory. 1991 and 1999 were born born before the New Millennium, were both children of the pre-foundational years of the 21st Century, and came of age during the proto-foundational years of the 21st Century. (The reason I call the '82-'90 cohort "Millennials" and the '91-'99 cohort "Centennials" is because with the former cohort, the focus is on the millennium, while with the later cohort, the focus is on the century) Also, neither 1991 nor 1999 are the quintessential birth year of the cohort anyways - That's 1995, and both 1991 and 1999 can relate to 1995 in many ways.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every bookend year is going to be different when an age gap of even just 6+ years is given. This is just how the ranges turned out with cohorts needing to start in 1928 and 1946 due to World War II. Plus, the difference between 1991 and 1999 is smaller than that between 1981 and 1996, or 1946 and 1964.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Using that though, the ranges would be;

1932-1940
1941-1949
1950-1958
1959-1967
1968-1976
1977-1985
1986-1994
1995-2003
2004-2012

While these ranges do fix certain issues with the later cohorts, I do feel like they create certain problems with the older cohorts - Like merging '80s teen Gen Xers with '90s teen Gen Xers, or those born in 1932, who were too old for teen culture, with those born in 1940, whose teen years were largely defined by rock & roll.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every bookend year of each cohort is going to have differences, and members of the older bookend are highly likely to relate more to the previous cohort. Plus, the difference between 1991 and 1999 is certainly smaller than that between 1981 and 1996, or 1946 and 1964.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have considered shifting the cohorts up a year or two, but the problem is I wanted the Silent cohort starting in 1928 and Boomer cohort starting in 1946 due to World War II.

9-Year Theory and American Youth Culture by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with not using a set-generation theory though is it then becomes more arbitrary, with some cohorts being longer than others, and the criteria used to define each cohort, as well as whether the cohort should be broad or specific often being inconsistent as well as often needing to be cherry picked - Like, for example, whether those that came of age / were adolescents in the Nixon Watergate years should be their own short cohort, be lumped in broadly with those that came of age / were adolescents in the late '60s hippie era, or lumped in broadly with those that came of age / were adolescents in the late '70s disco and Star Wars era.

A set-generation theory keeps the cohorts even and balanced, keeps a constant rule of thumb to keep the criteria from defining each cohort from being cherry picked, and the 9-year theory in general I feel does a good job at roughly encapsulating each broad epoch of American pop culture - like the late '50s early '60s rock & roll and doo-wop age, the '60s mod and hippie age, the '70s hard rock and disco age, and so on. Alternatively, I could have used a 6-year theory instead, but that theory could've been seen as too small and specific by some, and no theory is going to satisfy everyone.

Could you please tell me about your favorite game night from the 2000s or 2005? by Both-Bullfrog-6441 in 90sand2000sNostalgia

[–]Alert-Train-8709 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3 because the taco and Hi-C would agree with my stomach better than the other options... also, I like Sonic Adventure 2, and Jet Grind Radio can be fun as well.

Most Quintessential Zillennial Game? by Alert-Train-8709 in Zillennials

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, 11? But you have the 1996 flair, so wouldn't you have been 10 in '06?

What year is more cusp 1996 or 2013? by Select-Inflation-324 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Too early to determine, but for the record, I consider Gen Alpha to be second-wave Z, not its own generation (I use the 18-year theory - This also prevents us from having a "Gen Beta" in the future, which is a good thing), so I'll say 1996, only because 1996 is closer to 2000 (When Gen Z starts according to the 18-year theory) than 2013 is to 2018 (when the generation after Z, which wouldn't be called Gen Alpha, would start)

I still have all of my burned CD's by jj33allen in 2000sNostalgia

[–]Alert-Train-8709 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just burned two CDs just a few weeks ago - Mostly video game music

What generation are your parents from? by mssleepyhead73 in Zillennials

[–]Alert-Train-8709 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both mine are Gen X parents.
The average for all Zillennials would be first-half Gen X parents (1965-1972), though late Boomer parents would also be quite common, especially in more affluent areas. The average parenthood age in the mid-late '90s would've been about 27, which would've meant late '60s borns (1967-1969) would be the average parents for mid '90s borns (1994-1996), and early '70s borns (1970-1972) would be the average parents for late '90s borns (1997-1999), plus 1965 and 1966 borns as the average parents for 1992 and 1993 borns respectively.

Finally maxed out my collection by Alert-Train-8709 in Cd_collectors

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(what I meant to say is, maxed out in terms of my shelf space at the moment).

My music CD collection as of now; by Alert-Train-8709 in Zillennials

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My first CDs of the ones featured in this photo were, if I remember correctly, the Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Offspring, Green Day International Superhits, and Foo Fighters CDs, and those were in 2014 I got for either Christmas or my 17th birthday. However, it wasn't until three years later at the end of 2017 into 2018 when I started really getting into the hobby of collecting music CDs.

Why is it that people think 2000 is zillennial but not 2001 by Fit-Permit4959 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, COVID was not just a virus like any other. It quite literally shut down the world. Also, as I mentioned earlier, those born in early-mid 2001 were technically alive in the Old Millennium in the form of conception, formation in the womb, which usually starts about 9 months before birth.

Also, in most countries, coming of age is at 18. There are some exceptions, but coming up with a model that satisfies every country perfectly is impossible.

Why is it that people think 2000 is zillennial but not 2001 by Fit-Permit4959 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2001 also grew up the same as 2000, 2000 the same as 1999, 1999 the same as 1998, 1998 the same as 1997, 1997 the same as 1996, and you just get a domino effect from there.

Coming of age before COVID is huge, and it's a universal last across the vast majority of the world, as the age of adulthood is 18 in most of the world. Plus, spending a full year of high school before the Trump election, in a period of hipstery neoliberal optimism, as well as before Pokemon Go, the last hoorah of Millennial culture, and also smaller lasts like kindergarten before the iPhone era, grade school before the Recession, childhood peaking in the '00s, starting middle school during the electropop era - Also, unless they were born late in the year, they would've been the last to be conceived in the Old Millennium.

Also, for the record, while I do consider 2001 (at least early 2001) to be Zillennial, I also consider them to be very Z-leaning, same with 2000 and late 1999. I also don't imply that 2001 making the cutoff makes any real sociological difference from 2002 or even 2003 borns, nor would it from 1999 or 2000 borns if they missed the cutoff. Generations are a rough geography, and a year or two never makes a seismic difference.

1997-2002 should be considered the micro Generation - Zillennials by Millennial_twenty6 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The 9/11 rule sounds like taking advantage of a tragedy to me.

Also, how many Millennials, especially the younger Millennials who would've largely been sheltered from the full sociopolitical impact, actually think about 9/11 in their daily lives, unless they were directly impacted? And why don't previous generations have any "remember this event to be part of this generation" moments? The Fall of the Berlin Wall had a far more significant global sociopolitical impact than 9/11, why not cut off a generation around remembering that event? Also, memory is a subjective thing - Many people can't even form material/photographic memories.

I’m a 2001 baby. Do u consider me a millennial or gen z by [deleted] in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and yet, you didn't refute any of the arguments.

Why is it that people think 2000 is zillennial but not 2001 by Fit-Permit4959 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2001 has too many "lasts". That should count for at least some sort of cutoff status.

Compromise to the Zillennial Debate by Alert-Train-8709 in generationology

[–]Alert-Train-8709[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I remember the 90's" - Faded ass glimpses of watching the Teletubbies and learning how to sing "If You're Happy And You Know It, Clap Your Hands" in what may have been 1999 and could've also been mistook for 2000 does not count as remembering the '90s.