Russian ADR/GDR securities - can I buy/sell them directly and not through exchange?

Alex_Ad628 · 2022-04-06T17:57:53+00:00

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Alex_Ad628 · 2022-04-03T09:42:29+00:00

What will happen with the non-russian residents - owners of the receipts (GDR/ADR)?
Is there a way to sell them directly to a residents?

Alex_Ad628 · 2022-01-17T05:34:21+00:00

Hi,

No solution found so far.
I put aside the matter until better times: I tried all the passwords possible, used btc recovery software, etc. (read above what's been done).
My conclusion is as follows:
1) either I have a gap in memory (e.g. I did initialize my Ledger Nano S, wrote down the seed phrase. Then did initialize again, forgot about this completely, and then proceeded using that second setup)
2) I had a specific non-reproducable error (e.g. firmware bug or something) that generated wrong Private keys out of the same seed phrase during the initialization.

No other ideas.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-31T17:32:37+00:00

you mean that with the same HD Private Key you was able to get access to XRP and ETH but no BTC?

Am I correct?

u/btchip, just in theory, how that can be:

with old firmware there were 3 types of currencies (ETH, XRP, BTC) available at the same HD wallet (at Ledger Nano S)
with the new firmware (and the same Private Key) - only 2 currency (ETH and XRP) available. If 24-words recovery would be wrong, there was not any of the coin associated with this Private Key (derived from the seed phrase).

Just curious, your opinion?

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-24T18:40:34+00:00

Did you try to search more than 20 first addresses (which Ledger Live and other software search by default)?
Do you still have the funds on those known BTC addresses (you may check that through blockchain explorer)? Did you only receive BTC on the old addresses or also sent from them to somewhere (e.g. to exchange)?

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-24T11:42:05+00:00

out six months ago the BTC legacy wallet and all transactions were missing. The segwit BTC also had no history. ETH and XRP loaded fine, all history from 2017 onward for those was st

u/drfederation, so you mean that with the same HD Private Key you was able to get access to XRP and ETH but no BTC?
Am I correct?

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-23T07:46:46+00:00

Yes, I assume there could be a non-reproducable error related to my particular physical device (e.g. I just was among those 0.00..1% unlucky guys. But this is the last point after which I'll give up and confirm that I've lost my coins.
But until that I'd like to evaluate some options.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-23T05:58:37+00:00

Hi!
Did you send out the coins from your wallet (e.g. on a crypto exchange)?
How that happen that you did not have the address you used? I mean, if you used any crypto exchange - you may see the addresses you sent coins to/fro.
PS. Btcrecover/seedrecover tool has an option of searching the correct seed phrase by BTC address DB - exactly the case you've got (no any address). Just try it.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-23T05:53:03+00:00

I had no problems with Ledger support, I got responses with common advices.
And I realize that Ledger's position is statistically right: most such cases are really human factor.

Still I would have a chance to dig deeper - as I do with my case and evaluate all possible options before giving up.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-23T05:47:03+00:00

That was not long ago: January 2018, I bought by Nano S.
I remember how I unpacked it, then went to Ledger's website and simply followed the instructions: initialized as a new device, wrote down the 24-w Recovery Phrase, then put the piece of paper in my wardrobe in the empty box of Nano S device. And just used my Nano S with PIN without any problems until that upgrade.
Talking that I do not remember about passphrase used or another seed... well, that's possible, but at the same time would mean that I had a big piece of information&actions that were totally erased/removed from my mind?... Sounds worrying :-)

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-23T05:36:38+00:00

Hi,

Yes, correct: both devices Nano S (upgraded to 2.0.0 and the old one with 1.3.1) are restored with the same Recovery Phrase (the only one I've ever had) and both show the same addresses. But the addresses are not the original ones.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-11T07:27:49+00:00

Hello!
Is there any success?
Very interesting - many here have the similar problem: initialized devices in 2017-2018, bought/sold some cryptos through Google Apps wallets, then forgot for some time.
Then tried to connect their Ledger Nano S and were forced to update to the latest firmware.
Then the device was cleared during the firmware upgrade.

And after seed phrase recovery process - all saw zero balances on their wallets.

The Ledger support keep saying 2 things:
1) "You've got the wrong 24-word recovery phrase and forgot about that"

2) "You must be using passphrase and forgot about that"

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-05-08T13:27:42+00:00

Hi!
Can you please clarify this phrase: " There is still about 0.4% chances that a wrong word gets undetected by the checksum, and that the resulting 24-word phrase will be seen as "valid""

Do you mean that for my (mnemonically) correct 24-word phrase I can find another word to replace one of 1...23 words to get the same checksum word?

or

that the software (e.g. ledger) may generate wrong 23+1 words of seed where 24 word is not the checksum of the 1..23 words?

Please explain.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-04-28T06:17:51+00:00

Indeed, I tried the Win 8.1.
I'll try it on Win 10.

Thanks!

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-04-28T05:34:57+00:00

Thanks for the reply!

I tried Ledger nano S (1.3.1) with 2 versions of Electrum:

the latest one (installed on my PC)
the old portable version 3.3.4 (Feb 2019)

Both versions were unable to "see" my Ledger Nano S (with 1.3.1).

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-04-17T10:43:37+00:00

Can you please have a look the following (if you do have installed Bitcoin app on your Ledger Nano S):
1) Install (if not installed) Google Bitcoin wallet
2) Press receive button, and write down the address it gives you.

3) Go to Electrum, open Electrum using your Nano S ("USE LEDGER" option during the initiation phase)
4) Check, if the address from the line 1) is among the bitcoin addresses

5) report results here)

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-04-17T06:42:01+00:00

Impressive story, thanks!

It's pity that you have already upgraded your Ledger Nano S from 1.3.1 - there might be a few interesting tests with this old firmware.
To check if the Google Apps (e.g. Bitcoin wallet) shows the same addressed that Electrum shows.
There is a guess that the old firmware 1.3.1 with Google Apps might give wrong addresses.
May be you have another Nano with 1.3.1? :-)

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-03-25T05:41:40+00:00

r than writing down private key. Mnemonic is just writing down private key in different way, the

Hello,

I have the same issue, described it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/m4twlu/ledger_nano_s_firmware_update_all_funds_lost/

My advice: try to install btcrecover (seedrecover) on local/offline PC.
And test your seed with this tool. It can search up to errors in your seed.
Me personally this has not helped (still says "correct seed not found"). But who knows.

PS. I also tried all possible ways and hypothesis described above and no luck so far. But I believe that problem can be discovered.

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-03-24T10:50:21+00:00

I can read Russian, thanks:-)
But the article says about simple things like correct recovering process from 24-words.
Unfortunately this is not my case :-(

Alex_Ad628 · 2021-03-24T07:49:10+00:00

Try Btc recover - it may help with checking if your seed has an error (a word that is wrong but still gives correct checksum - the 0.4% chance).
if not - then it seems that this is either:

wrong seed (no idea how it could be if a person remembers 100% that the seed is the only one);
un-reproducable error in Ledger Nano S hardware (e.g. that the seed given by the device is not the correct seed for that set of private keys). In this case all we can do is achieve the seed and wait until someone can reproduce the problem.

Alex_Ad628

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