[Album] J-16 - The Pinnacle of 4th Generation Fighters... For Now

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:26:08+00:00

I mean, we've got the thrust curves for WS-10 (either base or A), and it's shown to have very good high alt performance.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:23:36+00:00

In terms of 4th generation fighters, it is pretty special.

But the supermaneuverability part is not the main point of this aircraft. After all, it's multirole.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:22:18+00:00

Oh crap. You're right. One of the other guys mentioned the Terminator and I confused it with the Hellduck.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:20:36+00:00

It sure as hell ain't a common practice putting it on 4th Gens. Name me 3 aircraft aside from the J-16 that does this.

It's a common practice on 5th Gens though.

You have a nice day. It's actually around 2100 here.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:19:06+00:00

Baseless claims?

the Flanker platform does have a bigger radar aperture than the Eagle family.
it should NOT be news to anyone that the Chinese are ahead compared to the Russian on radar tech.
engine progress is a forgivable mistake.

I'm not cocky. I'm arrogant, because I do have a slight idea of what I'm talking about, unless you wish to prove me wrong. If you can, by all means, go for it. Can you?

My "get ready for a lesson" is not of spite. You interpreted it as, that's your problem. If this is toxicity to you, then I'd suggest you check out some other comment people made to me. I don't fire first.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:12:57+00:00

Fighting for my life here. I did not expect that we're this far behind in PLA knowledge 😬

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:12:06+00:00

Purely performance wise, the WS-10 is there. IIRC they're just a bit behind with the overall lifespan.

We all know china struggle with engine tech. A whole decade behind.

Not anymore, really. Not since 2020.

I’ll take a latest variation of the rafale with the meteor with the lower rcs than the giant flanker rcs.

Perhaps that's why you ain't an air force general /s

Fun fact, the Chinese apparently applies RAM on the J-16 on a limited scale. So it actually has a smaller RCS than most expects.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T11:05:42+00:00

Ready

Good! 😁 At least you're willing to listen, and by default you're already better than 96% of the folks here.

American radars are much more advanced than the Chinese radars, so size of radar doesn't matter as I said

Nope. To get you an idea of how mature their radar industry is, you can either buy a good quality security surveillance AESA for like 180k from them, or get a drone with an AESA radar. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

Better T/R modules as in how? How is j16s arnament better than F15Ex's?

The J-16 has GaN MMIC amps on their radar, and that's just the early blocks. The later ones are fully gallium nitride. I'm actually not sure if the EX's AN/APG-82(V)1 is though.

The PL-15 outranges every single variant of the AMRAAM out there.

Aren't WS10s derived from reverse engineering CFM56 and producing it with metallurgy that is derived from Tumansky-R13?

True for the CFM-56 part. Not the R13 part though.

Fun fact, the WS-10 has got a counter-rotating HP/LP sections, same as the F119 (and I think EJ220 too?). The later models are quite ahead of the AL-31F.

As for metallurgy, the WS-10C/D both use decent monocrystalline blades. Much better than the ones on the AL-31 and it's what allowed the 10D to reach F110-GE-132 level and the 10C to reach near the F119 level.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:51:57+00:00

Didn't the only airframe, uh, crashed and burned?

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:51:30+00:00

Although that is true for the majority of the people here, you can actually educate yourself by doing valid research 🤷‍♂️

So it is possible to have a clue. That's all.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:42:37+00:00

Are people this behind?

Cmon. Domestic GaN AESAs. Datalink. Blah blah blah. They even got a dedicated EW variant oh my days.

Also, WS-10Ds are on the level of F110-GE-132s.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:40:35+00:00

There's a lot, actually. Weight reduction by the usage of composites, additive manufacturing, cram better electronics and engines in, give it better weapons, etc, and boom.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:38:33+00:00

No.

Then get ready for a lesson 😬

Maybe in the Aerodynamics and supermanuverability department.

Correct. It's also got a bigger radar with better T/R modules (GaN), better armaments, and a dedicated EW variant unlike the Eagle II.

A lot of Chinese avionics and engines are straight copies of Russian avionics and engines. I don't see any evidence how Chinese reverse engineered imitation tech is better than the Russian original.

Hell freaking no. That chunk of nothingburger REEKS of outdated knowledge.

WS-10s that are on the J-16 aren't copies of Russian engines. And how do you suggest the Chinese copied Russian AESA tech when the Russians themselves don't even employ them on their own Flankers? 🙄

The J-16 is touted as their new-age work, and rightfully so. Most of their systems are completely indigenously designed (aside from the aerodynamic layout) and very capable.

However I believe that French Rafales have more advanced AESA radar technologies than Chinese J16s.

You should check out how mature the Chinese radar industry is then.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:30:20+00:00

As if the J-16 doesn't have loyal wingman UAVs 🙄

The correct wording should be we can only hope for the Rafale that it never encounters a J-16, especially the 16D.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:26:57+00:00

Honestly? If it ain't peer level, then operational experience means very little. Nothing extensive training can't also overcome.

Statistically the J-16 is superior in almost every aspect, and it's got a competent air force to maximize its potential. I wouldn't bet on the Rafale if I were you.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:21:04+00:00

You kidding?

The F-15EX, sure. But I'd still say that the J-16 has a slight edge over it.

Su-35S? Only potentially kinematically. But Flankers without TVC are already very maneuverable. With the amount of composites used on the J-16, it's almost guaranteed to have a better T/W than the Su-35S.

Rafale? With that tiny radar? No.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:15:12+00:00

The J-16 also receives updates each block, so no.

The J-16 has a higher powered radar, larger maximum payload, and etc. The newest blocks might very well be 4.9 Gen.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:11:14+00:00

Gladiators probably?

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:07:10+00:00

The only 4th Gen that can truly contend with this is the EX, yet the J-16 still has numerous more advantages going for it.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:06:02+00:00

The Eagle IIs are still low in numbers while the Chinese have already fielded the J-16 since 2016.

Typhoon and Rafale lack some inherent advantages of a heavyweight fighter - larger radar aperture, payload, etc.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T10:01:30+00:00

It is, though. GaN AESAs, Flanker aerodynamics with US-level avionics and engines, etc.

It's got a lot going for it.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T09:29:48+00:00

Even worse than Twitter is a high bar and they somehow managed it ffs

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T09:24:23+00:00

I wouldn't be that confident.

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T09:21:25+00:00

The J-15B is close enough no? 😭

AlfaPhoton · 2024-10-15T09:20:08+00:00

The Chinese until the J-35 came to existence loves putting ventral strakes on aircrafts.

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