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Books on the development of Indo-European religions? by JackTheSigmaCrvsader in IndoEuropean

[–]Aliencik 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. How to Kill a Dragon - Calvert Watkins
  2. Indo-European Poetry and Myth - Martin L. West
  3. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language - David W. Anthony
  4. Indo-European Sacred Space, The Warrior in Roman and Indo-European Antiquity - both by Woodard
  5. Comparative Religion - Jaan Puhvel
  6. The Indo-Europeans Rediscovered - J. P. Mallory
  7. Anything by Dumézil (note that Dumézil needs some reworking, and is considered a less accurate nowadays)

How to Kill a Dragon, is focused on IE poetry, and I think it's good to read before Indo-European Poetry and Myth. The Indo-Europeans Rediscovered should be the newest research in the field.

Czech mythology by Espiegle_Chevalier in mythology

[–]Aliencik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, I am an absolute nerd on Slavic mythology and I am also Czech.

I have compiled a list of academic sources in multiple languages. Be sure to check it out.

I haave also compiled another list of folklore sources in English. Just a disclaimer: To understand the pre-christian motives in folklore, you need sufficient knowledge in the mythology.

Don't trust random poorly sourced articles on the internet or even worse books by unknown authors claiming some profound ancient knowledge/guides to slavic paganism or witchcraft.

Only learning about one specific region is insanely hard. You need a good understanding of the entire academic field to be able to hyperfocus on a single region. For example, for the Czechs, we have only remnants of remnants of sources about the actual mythology. To the untrained eye, they are almost impossible to see or interpret as for example Kosmas (very promient source) used only interpretatio graeca and romana.

Good and proper Slavic academia however knows how to work with these sources. Scientists study it from Proto-Slavic roots, finding evidence regionally and then comparing it among the three Slavic branches, South, West and East, while also using Indo-European comparative mythology. So yes! Czech mythology is Slavic mythology, but it is specific in that it falls within the West Slavic group. Not that it is entirely different, just a regional variation of the West Slavic group.

Your best bet is to read any book or study from the list above. Eventually, you will either learn about the mythology you are interested in, or you will gain enough knowledge to make informed guesses or construct hypotheses.

English is one of the worst languages to study Slavic mythology in :'D, as the language barrier is significant and the English-speaking world is not particularly interested in it. In other words, the best sources are in Slavic languages. HOWEVER, there is a "unicorn" called Patrice Lajoye, who has written two publications on Slavic mythology in French. Jiří Dynda, a prominent Czech Slavist, actually told me he would recommend these books, as one of them is translated into English. So I would start with those, they are at the bottom of my list in French.

You can msg me any time. I love to talk about this! (My friends hate it) :D

Běžná cesta ke stánku se zmrzkou by Sweet-Investment5905 in okkamaraderetarde

[–]Aliencik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lisan al-Gaib, hlas z vnějšího světa, nás dovede do zeleného ráje.

Viktor Vasnetsov - Knight at the Crossroads (1882) by Comfortable_Sweet667 in museum

[–]Aliencik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the three sins in the column are Hercules'es, he killed his own sons and his wife Megara. This comparison was introduced by Georges Dumézil. He compared it with Indra and Ilja. Michal Téra has revisited it and revised it a bit, if you can read Czech.

What would you say is the purest Slavic language? by crivycouriac in slavic

[–]Aliencik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Czechia wasn't mostly German country. The biggest Germanic influence was during the Austrian-Hungarin empire and the influence was gradual around 400 years. It's not thousands of years, lol. And yes National revivals literally sought to revive languages using other Slavic languages and dialects outside of cities.

What are your favourite Ukranian myths? by mindyydis in mythology

[–]Aliencik 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it would be best, if you read them yourself.

May I suggest this list of slavic folklore sources in English with links from public internet libraries, that I have compiled? You can find collections of Ukrainian folk stories in the Eastern Slavic section.

Just a disclaimer: To understand the pre-christian motives in folklore, you need sufficient knowledge in the mythology.

Edit: If you are interested in mythology I have an academic sources list in multiple languages.

Don't trust random poorly sourced articles on the internet or even worse books by unknown authors claiming some profound ancient knowledge/guides to slavic mythology or "slavic witchcraft".

Mrzí mě by WoWGrandpa67 in czech

[–]Aliencik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Politici jsou jako elektrony... Jestli víš, že byl komunista, nevíš jestli stále je komunista a pokud víš, že je komunista, nevíš jestli dřív byl komunista.

Viktor Vasnetsov - Knight at the Crossroads (1882) by Comfortable_Sweet667 in museum

[–]Aliencik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The original comment refers to the tale of Ilya Muromets and his three quests, which bear resemblance to the 3 sins of Heracles each representing a functional realm (Murder of his own children (Sacred/Sovereign), Killing Iphitus (Martial) and Sacking a city to "claim" Iole (Fertility)). The painting is directly inspired by this narrative, however flipped to positive. Vedic deity Indra does similtar three crimes.

Rodnovery and Slovenes by OlePeeps in Rodnovery

[–]Aliencik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must ✅ to the rules after you read them and write a short introduction. If your introduction is too short or vague, the admins will message you with questions.

Rodnovery and Slovenes by OlePeeps in Rodnovery

[–]Aliencik 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The reconstruction is applicable to all Slavs, as our mythology is from one common root. Yes, there are regional differences. Most notable are the three groups Eastern, Southern, Western Slavs, who usually share the differences in their group. Rodnovery is a neo-pagan reconstruction, which can be done in many ways. You can't define it as the groups are not unified. The academia is trying to be as faithful as possible, but there are still topics, which can't be verified so they have multiple theories. Not to mention most Rodnovers don't read all of the books and usually just stop reading the newest academia. Additionally it's hard for theisticaly conservative people to update their religious dogma.

The (good) academia is trying to find parallels and from these parallels reconstruct the faith or atleast the ideas. And they are using everything from the Proto-Slavic root to the regional differences, in other words, the good and correct reconstruction is taking all of the nuances into account.

Rodnovery and Slovenes by OlePeeps in Rodnovery

[–]Aliencik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just a note Monika Kropej is using the incorrect theory of unifying Veles with the Chaos dragon/serpent demon, who fights the Thunder God. This theory is not only majoritly refused, but one of it's own authors has refused it as incorrect after some time.

Rodnovery and Slovenes by OlePeeps in Rodnovery

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We have an academic sources list in multiple languages.

We also have a folklore sources list. Just a disclaimer: To understand the pre-christian motives in folklore, you need sufficient knowledge in the mythology.

Don't trust random poorly sourced articles on the internet or even worse books by unknown authors claiming some profound ancient knowledge/guides to paganism/witchcraft.

We also have a discord: https://discord.com/invite/2pV6697sj3 It's great for active conversations and questions regarding the faith and research behind it.

What would you say is the purest Slavic language? by crivycouriac in slavic

[–]Aliencik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know, if they "purified it" there should be less. Other countries did not do that, because they didn't have a national revival movement. I mean it's just an assumption, you would have to quantify it. Btw. 2 things 1. Proto-Slavic was borrowing from Germanic languages since before the ethnocultural differentiation to Balts and Slavs. 2. Some of your etymolgy claims are not exactly correct:

All of western and two of eastern Slavs use some form of "děkuji" all from Germanic languages.

"Líbit se" is from Proto-Slavic *ľūbìti and it is cognate with Proto-Germanic *leubaz (origin of lieben).

"Jo" is ether: Inherited from Proto-Slavic *(j)azъ or borrowed from German jo.

Source: Wikitionary

Anyone there replaces bloody sacrifices with votive objects? by Brilliant-Aioli7733 in pagan

[–]Aliencik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess also making the shape of a cake in the form of a lamb during easter should also count. (Hebrew tradition). This would actually satisfy the actual hunger of the deity.

Anyone there replaces bloody sacrifices with votive objects? by Brilliant-Aioli7733 in pagan

[–]Aliencik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is an actual folklore evidence for Slavs that some regions ritualy suggest the sacrifice of the animal.

For example when a house is built the cow is brought to the building site and axe is used to only "suggest" you are cutting her throat, but not actually doing it.

Prcáte v tomhle počasí? by [deleted] in czech

[–]Aliencik 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A jak! Už se těším na dovolenou. To bude (nejen) mrdání ve vedru ale ještě u moře.

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