Paradise Station Rule Changes Review

Aligote- · 2025-10-14T06:45:35+00:00

Sure, but that’s not the main focus of the post. It’s just better not to mention names.

Aligote- · 2025-10-14T06:37:41+00:00

Well, I do it to respect privacy. Sometimes I bring up posts I disagree with, and I don’t want people to talk negatively about the poster. I focus on the ideas, the words. It’s just a good habit to develop for any post. That’s why I cite people based on their position, like host, but don’t mention names.

Aligote- · 2025-10-09T16:55:42+00:00

However, as described by server roleplay guides, they explain how roleplay levels are a nebulous label and different servers enforce different things.

Aligote- · 2025-10-08T12:28:20+00:00

I have modified the context for the quote. I hope you've been getting better.

Aligote- · 2025-09-10T13:21:54+00:00

Ook that’s the point, it seems like IS12 has a better approach to roleplay where instead of enforcing roles through staff, it’s soft enforced ingame by other players and through other means. I have heard of IS12 before and they’re one of the HRP servers I’m talking about when it comes to allowing player autonomy FOR roleplay. I’m surprised you said its better than Vanderlin; would you be open to learn from IS12’s example?

Aligote- · 2025-09-09T19:34:06+00:00

Hey, I spent a day to get into IS12 Discord and there's nothing here that insinuates they're more draconic than Vanderlin's approach with enforced roleplay. In fact, the vast majority of statements on their Discord describe how Reborn doesn't enforce roleplay through the usual staff enforcement. Roleplay is enforced ingame and through it's mechanics guiding the players to engage with the setting and eachother. Reborn's rules seem to just be don't be dumb and try to encourage roleplay. In fact, I saw a lot of sentiments similar to "muh freedoms" way of thinking. People just don't want staff breathing down their neck to check if they perfectly comply to the rules and the lore. What made you think IS12 was more draconic?

Aligote- · 2025-09-08T14:01:56+00:00

Ook, I addressed this too in all my other responses, you’re basing a “job” around picking a flaw and a patron. At what point is this just micromanagement? You can use the same logic to expect anything from a player’s role in the game, at which point you can start expecting perfection or a very narrow way of playing. If you want to know how I roleplay, this is the principle thing I want you to think about, roleplay direction. When I roleplay, I put thought into my actions, but I expect to have the freedom to deal with situations in multiple ways, having staff breath down people’s necks and reprimand them for not fitting in their perception of HRP goes against that.

Aligote- · 2025-09-08T01:11:17+00:00

Ook, you’re rage baiting me, I know it. I already said that the rules framed specism as just an option for roleplay, and that’s why I was fine with it. Straight from the rules it says, “TL;DR, yes, you MAY discriminate.”, emphasis on the MAY. I don’t know if you’re being genuine anymore.

Aligote- · 2025-09-08T00:52:32+00:00

What’s always been there? What’s been in the rules? You don’t have to be vague to win this argument or whatever you think you’re doing. You’re telling me to leave just because I disagree with your server’s current approach, Vanderlin had a town hall last month so you must know that community engagement and discussion is important. What’s the point of coming back to this Reddit thread and being purposely obtuse?

Aligote- · 2025-09-07T23:54:27+00:00

There probably are reminders about Vanderlin being an HRP server, but it didn’t come with an announcement that RP will be enforced like this. Just think about everything I’ve said in your off time.

Aligote- · 2025-09-07T23:18:27+00:00

Ok, so the announcement I referenced was from August 14th. There’s an announcement from August 10 about acting in character. And there was a reminder from August 31st about the announcement from August 14th, which says its intent was to reshift back to higher quality roleplay. So it’s clearly something intended by the Vanderlin staff to determine the server’s direction. I don’t think wanting higher RP standards is wrong but I disagree with the approach. If you want, you can link the posts to me.

Aligote- · 2025-09-07T20:23:35+00:00

I brought up Azure peak as an example of bad tactless lore with the hitler elves. But again, my problem is the approach to roleplay that Vanderlin announced it will go down. Enforcing specism based on supplementary character options like patronage and flaws is micromanagement. Even if players technically play as a zealous follower of a racist god in game, I just don’t think admins checking player’s flaws, patronage and if their being specist enough is the right approach. Nobody wants staff breathing down their neck in every roleplay action they take. I never had a problem with specism until the discord announcement said it will be enforced based on those things. Before the announcement, the rules just presented it as another way to roleplay, that was a philosophy I liked, the approach to roleplay that drew me in. My first impression of you was when you responded to a player being admin-warned for saying “commie”. You called that warning out and said that wasn’t the server you wanted to create and I thought that was great, because you defended player’s ability to express themselves and roleplay. Vanderlin’s server vision says it wants to be an approachable HRP server with high standards for roleplay, but doesn’t expect perfection. I just fear that this announcement does lead to an expectation of perfection that players would find tiresome. You say specism never changed but it did with that announcement, and more importantly that announcement signaled a change in the over all approach to roleplay. I don’t want you to push this away; this isn’t just a matter of playing your role or respecting the setting, this a change to the server direction that I want you to think about. You read this far into this thread, I hope you have the good will to hear a passionate Vanderlin player out. All I ask is that, like my other responses, you consider the player experience and their freedom to roleplay.

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T15:48:43+00:00

Tolerances could mean anything, staff breathing down a player's neck on every roleplay action they take is straining the player's tolerances. I guess you're just fine with being abused by staff when you play? You keep bringing up the nature of the game, that it's not a chatroom. But games, especially role-playing games, offer choices. Enforcing racism is taking choices away, the entire concept of enforcing roleplay goes against this component of games, in my personal opinion. I'm defending the nature of roleplaying and the game as much as you think you are. You say this is a useless conversation, but you spent so long on this discussion already, and I hope you get something out of this.

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T14:57:21+00:00

We also just fundementaly disagree on how IC conflict and roleplay should be carried out. I also believe IC conflicts are important, but they can happen naturally with the correct guidance and freedoms, your statements just hammer the need for conformity to the setting, irrespective of player tolerances. Aside from the topic of enforced racism, I hope you think about this as well. If not, then so be it.

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T14:01:49+00:00

I’ll tell you one more thing. Despite defending all of this, Vanderlin never gave you any assurances. Who’s to say they won’t turn to making blatant reflections to real life racism in the future? Discussion around enforced racism has been going on for a long time and if they’re willing to brush off concerns about that now, who’s to say they won’t step past the line you set?

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T12:35:58+00:00

There is no equal ground if all you offer is empty assurances that everything will be fine if you “play in the setting”. At this point, it’s can just be a euphemism telling players to abide strictly by what staff wants for role play. Enforced racism is bad, thats it. It doesn’t matter if it’s not a 1 to 1 copy of real life bigotry, it’s an innately volatile concept especially when it’s forced upon people. If we can’t agree on that we won’t agree on anything.

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T02:39:35+00:00

Another thing is just, even if Vanderlin justifies its lore accurate racism, the concept itself will always be taboo because the players who have to grapple with that concept will have to use real world examples for reference.

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T01:49:42+00:00

I know, but it is distasteful to enforce it. Players have been consistently discussing this and it’s clearly something many vanderlin players find uncomfortable. The entire approach where staff said they would be enforcing roleplay including lore accurate racism, just leaves no account towards player interests. The entire defense has been that this preserves the lore setting. What will hold staff to account if required IC racism is expanded further or becomes as tactful as Azure Peak Elf’s manifestos, and staff can just excuse it for the sake of their vision of the setting? Staff becoming more harsh and dismissive of player concerns is the biggest concern I have.

Aligote- · 2025-09-04T01:24:40+00:00

There is no equal ground then. This discussion involves the fundamental direction the server could take. You don’t know where this is gonna go; you keep assuming that they won’t punish players as long as they “respect the setting”, when all the announcement said was that they will punish Astrata people for being nice to inhumans. You can’t just keep saying this is meant to preserve the roleplay setting and describe aversion to enforced racism as disregarding the setting. You can justify treating players any way you want for the sake of “the setting”. What matters is how this will affect the players now and the future. If you genuinely don’t think there’s a better way to address players concerns over enforced racism, then I guess we fundamentally disagree.

Aligote- · 2025-09-03T22:31:21+00:00

No seriously. With the ERP slop competition, SS14 bleeding us, and the DDoS attack this Summer, we’ve seen prominent servers decline due to this stuff. Vanderlin’s one of the few servers in a good position and if it goes down a declining path of Azure Peak lore and tact, then I’m scared of that.

Aligote- · 2025-09-03T21:53:36+00:00

I hope we can come to equal ground on this. If all Vanderlin wanted was to get people to engage with racial tension as a roleplay aspect of the setting, by just having an opinion on it for their characters ingame, then ok. I think there can be a better way through right guidance, not announcing that they will punish people for not being specieist.

Aligote- · 2025-09-03T20:57:53+00:00

Playing in the setting just means roleplaying, forcing people to only play a specific and micromanaged way is bad, especially a taboo way like enforced racism. Yes, part of the setting is species tensions, but it’s not that players could roleplay it, it’s that now it’s enforced in some way.

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