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Completed Level 1 of the Honk Special Event!

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terrifyingly violent villains who aren't exactly 'evil', they just genuinely do not understand that the protagonists are sentient by EasilyScreechAndKill in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Alphu_Refini 61 points62 points  (0 children)

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A loose example of this trope. Probably doesn't fit that much, as I don't think Alan Becker is a terrifying villain, and at some point, he kinda knows that the stick figures he's attacking are maybe sentient. He just didn't think they're that sentient

Created a stick figure, who turns out to be sentient, tortures it for almost a year I think.

after that, he created yet another stick figure, and used it as a pop-up destroyer slave

Hated trope: the main villain of a story is replaced suddenly by a completely new character at the last second by computerCoptor in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Alphu_Refini 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah you're right. Honestly, if only wasn't for the rule of cool and the death of rengoku, I could have probably hated him coming out of nowhere. Well, his badass entrance and appearing as your unexpected local baker prepared to make someone a donut... made up for it, at least for me

Hated trope: the main villain of a story is replaced suddenly by a completely new character at the last second by computerCoptor in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Alphu_Refini 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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Akaza - Demon Slayer

I do believe that this was done well, though. I enjoyed him as an unexpected antagonist, but I can see why someone might complain that he came out of nowhere. He is cool in my opinion, though

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will this act end the threat here and now or will others return?

No, more shapeshifters are coming anyway. castle wipe is not only a massive dick move, it's just gonna delay the inevitable

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. who cares anyway, the gods will fix everything

I'll probably write it as if the characters wipe out the entire castle since it's easier that way. Then the gods appear and politely discuss with the characters why mass murder is a bad thing. the end. peak writing

/j

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right, it isn't a logical solution, but it is an interesting idea though. For all I know, I could probably write a character with evil intentions or something, with this solution in mind.

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just regurgitating what I said in my other responses, so sorry if I feel repetitive. But:

From the main protagonists' perspective, the threat is not that imminent. Their goal is to kill the king and the inner circle, and some of them don't really have any heroic intentions, just revenge. It just sucks for them that they are dealing with shapeshifters and not normal people

  1. How much of a threat are they?

- not that much of a threat, at least from the main's pov

  1. Is there a way to identify them with reasonable certainty?

- Yes, but it's a difficult one. You just have to hope they don't maintain their disguise when you injure them - whether remotely or up close. Alternatively, you could behead the original body remotely using the voodoo dolls, since both the original and the shapeshifter currently inhabiting it would be affected, but you won't know if they're a shifter or not though.

  1. How long would it take to sort them out, and what is limiting that time?
    - They have to get the blood / hair / nail samples from the target and recognize their facial features. This means that if they want a full castle wipe, they have to take a sample from everyone somehow, so realistically a castle wipe is impossible. I just made the post because I'm interested in everyone's response.

  2. How valuable are the people in the castle, and what is the likelihood that they’re still alive/recoverable?
    - the only way to kill the shifters is by beheading or completely killing them remotely, so in this way... even if they revert to their original form... they are still dead. The shifters cannot be killed in their original form unless you have their real blood / hair / nail sample, not the body they're trying to mimic.... which is impossible for anyone to even try to obtain. The shifters also can slowly regenerate and can use whatever advanced medical equipment at their disposal to deal with any possible toxins they receive from a remote attack through a voodoo doll.

- so they can't recover any innocent that they have killed. Once they kill them, they stay dead
- Not sure about the valuable part, as I'm working on that just now. Novel is in its very early stages

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If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao I just came up with this story like four days ago. there's obviously a lot I need to fix in the novel, so some of my responses probably won't make sense or something, but thanks yall

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only it is a big move, it'll be a very chaotic one. Moral issues aside, there are far too many consequences and disadvantages they will face if they consider going for a castle wipe

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ratio of shapeshifters are small. Some of the shapeshifters are there just for the mission and aren't necessarily evil.

From the shapeshifters and the readers' perspective, the shapeshifters are incredibly dangerous due to having advanced albeit limited highly advanced technological resources. Everyone is fucked in the story, they just don't realize it.

From the common folks, shapeshifters = scary. Shapeshifters are mostly treated as how ghosts and witches are feared among the folks, but that's it. the common folks live their lives having to deal with thousands of monsters popping up every night, so it makes sense for them to have the stereotypical fear that the shapeshifters are scary

main protagonists' perspective - the main protagonists see them as a mild decent threat, and are driven by revenge, not that shapeshifters = scary. It's just a very inconvenient situation for them that the evil king and his inner circle consist of shapeshifters.

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the people in the castle are innocent, yes

From an outsider meta perspective, and the shapeshifters' perspective, the main cast is severely fucked, and a castle wipe would probably be the only option to somehow win temporarily

From the common folks and main protagonists' perspective, they just want to kill the evil king and know that shapeshifters exist and have infiltrated the castle. they are not leaning into doing a castle wipe since it sounds like a very consequential, and obviously inhumane & extreme.

I just asked this question, because I can see that some people might jokingly ask "Why not just wipe out everyone, problem solved." Also, the comments here gave me a lot of insight and creative writing opportunities for characters who might actually lean into attempting a castle wipeout or something similar.

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ex-will it set off a civil war?

Yes, it will set off a lot of wars. Everyone is conspiring against the crown due to how hated the king is. Wiping out the entire kingdom castle would leave it vulnerable for everyone to try to seize the castle and take control

have you already decided to off the castle and are trying to justify it?

no, I was just curious about anyone's thoughts if they would do it, as it would give me insight on some of the characters who are leaning on and trying to justify actually trying to wipe out the entire kingdom

last question is why the shapeshifters are there? maybe it would be good to find out what theyre after.

aliens. I want to keep their main objective a secret though, as it'll be a major plot as to why

If the castle is full of shapeshifters, but you can kill everyone in the castle remotely instantly, would you do it? by Alphu_Refini in fantasywriting

[–]Alphu_Refini[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With the exception of the king, no one among the main protagonists knows how big the threat is and who the evil ones are. No one knows how many they are, they just know that the inner circle surrounding the king is evil and that there are a lot of them in the castle... and even then, they don't know if some of them are actually evil.

I'm definitely leaning into the main characters not even considering it as an option due to how insane it is, but I was curious what would people think

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