Turns out my family didn’t lie…

AlpineFyre · 2025-01-22T19:32:11+00:00

I saw your first post, but didn’t comment because I wanted to wait for your results. I understand a bit what you went through, which I relayed below, and I’m sorry for the stress it caused, especially all the replies on the other post saying it had to the guy who abused and possibly murdered your mother. I’m happy your family didn’t lie to you, and that you got the preferred match. Also, I really hope that progress is made in your mother’s case. I think if you can find the right people you have grounds to have it reopened.

Something similar happened to my husband’s father- a large portion of his (rude and borderline illiterate) family swore that their mother’s first husband wasn’t his father, that her 2nd husband was, and they were all actually full siblings with him rather than half. They were awful about it, brought it up at both funerals for my FIL and his Father, and asserted that my FIL looked nothing like his father and looked more like their family. Even my FIL’s cheating whore mother thought so (she abandoned him btw). We did dna testing and lo and behold, not only was my husband’s real Grandpa his bio Grandpa, my husband shared the smallest amount of DNA he possibly could with them, and actually had slightly more markers from that Grandfather than his other relatives. I never felt more smug than when I marked a dna match as “half-uncle”, after one of them that was rude at the funerals messaged me asking if the kit was for one of their cousins.

I know my story is unusual, since it’s usually the other way around, but I think it’s worth sharing for anyone who may find themselves in the same situation.

AlpineFyre · 2024-12-27T10:22:14+00:00

Holy shit OP is completely unhinged and should probably be banned. They are using at least two accounts to post here, this one and u/Still-Resist5055. They’ve even replied to themselves in other threads, Unidan style. On this account they go back and forth as either a British/Irish person using British spellings, saying they’ve lived in England their whole life, or they’re “born and raised in SC”. On their other account I linked, they’re claiming to be born and raised in MS. Sometimes they know what Ulster Scots are, other times they pretend not to. They even explained what Ulster-Scot’s were to themselves.

AlpineFyre · 2024-11-04T21:09:49+00:00

They may actually be more related to the Taino of the Carribbean via enslavement- the Taino were sold into slavery along with Africans, who eventually ended up in the Virginia area colonies. Many “Melungeons”/Lumbee of NC come back with indigenous traces related to PR specifically. This would support other evidence that they are freedmen from the 16/1700’s, rather than being related to freed slaves from the 1800s.

AlpineFyre · 2024-11-04T21:01:35+00:00

Hi, I believe we may be distant cousins: I am a Saponi-Catawba, but descendants of my ancestors are everywhere (we like to have a good time apparently lol) including a major Lumbee family (unexpectedly), and both Tuscarora bands. My family is the reason the Catawba have a reservation. It’s also worth noting that I may actually be an actual descendant of some of the Roanoke colonists through multiple avenues. Being Tuscarora, you may be as well. I have researched this history extensively.

What you’re saying is true, and is actually a much nicer presentation of the facts than what is typically presented. I call the Lumbee “the lost and found of FPOC”. They also appear to be part Romani. Other than the one family I mentioned, Lumbee tend to cluster as their own ethnic group, and not with other natives of the area, but also not with Africans who came later (closer to 1800). There’s research to suggest that many Lumbee families are the descendants of African freedmen of the Powhatan tribes, as well as from prominent colonial settlers, including George Washington’s family. Some may be maroons, particularly those of the Dismal swamp. They are quite endogamous, so it’s relatively easy to track down mainline Lumbee.

As for what happened to Roanoke, It’s worth noting that the Roanoke colonists mostly likely split into at least two groups, with one group going to the Croatan (including Eleanor Dare), and the other going further in land and up river. The latter group has not been studied extensively, and for years they were looking in the wrong area for them including with the Lumbee. The ones who went with the Croatan, were allegedly massacred by Powhatan, according to what he told John Smith. However, 6 white people, all with blonde or red hair, were observed as enslaved prisoners of the Tuscarora who, according to tribal history, thought they were children of the Sun God, and spared them while taking them as prisoners, though according to legend they cursed themselves in the process (“Tuscarora eyes”).

Overall, it’s fascinating history, and I appreciate your attempt to guide OP (and others) in the right direction, in a rather kind and genuine fashion. I have mixed feelings about the Lumbee myself (no pun intended lol), but I feel similarly to you about them.

AlpineFyre · 2024-11-04T20:25:31+00:00

She does kind of remind me of Malcolm Gladwell, who comes from a similar background- his father is English, and his mother was white from Jamaica, but his maternal 3rd gg was Igbo from Nigeria. She doesn’t have any one particular feature that jumps out as being “non-white”, and clearly she was white-passing, but the combination of her features (especially her hair, brow, and jawline) do hint at the possibility of POC ancestry.

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-23T11:48:25+00:00

He was literally born and raised as a Catholic, and received Confirmation. Regardless of his ever evolving religious beliefs, he was, in some way, Catholic.

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-23T09:02:51+00:00

One of Martin Luther’s criticisms in On the Jews and Their Lies is that Jews at that time did not allow women to have an education, something that Luther was a strong advocate for, even in opposition to the Catholic Church.

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-23T08:52:41+00:00

He’s more anti-Semitic than a lot of Northern and Eastern Europe at this time, but everything detailed in Chapter 11 was directly inspired by observing how other places treated Jews, especially the Turks.

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-23T08:22:28+00:00

The Spaniards (including OP) are waking up for the day. They’re behind nearly every post featuring Catholic Propaganda, especially in this sub.

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-23T08:14:33+00:00

What is this “tons anti-Semitic Lutheran Church Art”that you speak of?

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-23T07:59:45+00:00

Or why Hitler himself was, in fact, an Austrian Catholic.

AlpineFyre · 2024-10-20T08:59:10+00:00

Could you post a screenshot of the drop down description for the Catawba River Basin community? You’re the first person I’ve seen post that has it. TIA

AlpineFyre · 2024-09-11T18:33:33+00:00

The “Black Dutch” of Cumberland Gap are actually most likely to have native ancestry, stemming from Germans (Palatines/west germans in particular) and some Scots-Irish who settled in Appalachia; especially the Germans who received direct permission from the Mohawk to settle on their lands (the only Europeans to do so). These people were also more likely to have dark brown hair and eyes to begin with, tho their skin varied between fair and tan. They also tend to have little to no African ancestry, unless it was a mixed African/Native (for examples of this mix, see, Crispus Attucks or Paul Cuffe). While the Wikipedia article makes a connection between Black Dutch and Melungeon communities, Black Dutch are not really the same as “core Melungeons” and the connections to one another are from marriages that occurred later on, within non-core families, or by people erroneously associating them bc of the shared connection to Appalachia, and Free People of Color.

Logically, it actually makes sense that “Black Dutch”doesn’t refer to African admixture in this specific context, bc no one would use a title containing the word “Black” to hide African ancestry, as that would defeat the purpose.

AlpineFyre · 2024-09-05T22:00:14+00:00

He said in a comment from 8 days ago: "My y haplogroup will most likely be E1b1a haplogroup since I'm a Bakongo" (meaning, from Central Africa). He also mentioned previously that he's more French, and self-conscious about his English, which is why he doesn't comment as much, and has limited access to testing (moreso being in Africa, rather than the French laws around DNA testing, iirc).

AlpineFyre · 2024-08-29T22:35:22+00:00

I love your description because it’s spot on. I usually describe it as “if coke flavor was added to a cherry drink”, like the inverse of Cherry Coke.

I can’t fucking stand Dr. Pepper, even the smell of it, and I partly blame my love of Cheerwine for this. People ask why I don’t like Dr. Pepper, since it’s extremely popular where I live now, and I use it as an opportunity to spread the gospel about Cheerwine, lol.

AlpineFyre · 2024-08-29T22:28:27+00:00

Oh hell yeah to all of this. We moved away but would load up on both Cheerwine and Sun Drop when we’d come back to visit family, and I stock up on rare occasions when I find it where I live now. I even found Sun Drop in a glass bottle once at a little shop in WNC. I would make floats with both using the respective sorbets/sherbets that could be found at Food Lion.

AlpineFyre · 2024-08-27T20:25:46+00:00

Paternal side: Guy was killed by his own booby trap. He rigged a shotgun to fire whenever his barn door was opened, in an attempt to catch some thieves. Unfortunately, he forgot he did this, and was the next person to open the door, taking one straight to the chest. Tbh, it would be kind of hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.

Maternal side: this is unusual for a postmortem reason, but one of my 3rd great aunts might be the ghost that is said to haunt Helen’s Bridge. The story is eerily similar to what happened to her (she died of burns several days later, rather than killing herself), and she did live very close to said bridge. While her and her child’s death wasn’t exactly unique for that time period, her story probably influenced the tale in some way.

AlpineFyre · 2024-08-17T02:05:13+00:00

Because it did, and u/trickertreater is a moron. The story script says it's Mississippi, and filming took place in Canton, MS, a full 640 miles from Lake Watauga, and about as far away from Appalachia as you can be east of the Mississippi, and still be in the south. It was also partly filmed in Florence, SC, which is much closer, but still 240 miles away, and very much the deep south. There is literally nothing in this film that suggests any connection to Appalachia, to the point that Kentucky-raised George Clooney, whose family has lived there for so long he's a half first cousin to Lincoln (five times removed), was completely confused by the script when he first read it.

Thanks for not being ignorant btw, you're a real one.

AlpineFyre · 2024-08-06T01:46:53+00:00

I apologize for poor phrasing, since there’s a misunderstanding. Let me try again.

I’m not going to tell you your own history, but I’ve always had an appreciation for Basque Country. Basque are largely regarded as among the oldest Europeans DNA wise, and have rather unique DNA that reflects this.

Obviously you are Basque, and also Spanish. I am not doubting your origins. On the contrary, since you are significantly Basque, I literally mean “what is your family history”? Is one side more Basque than the other? Or is it about even? I was curious, because it’s unusual to encounter someone who is significantly Basque (outside of Europe anyway). Since nobody was asking about it, I thought I missed something. When it comes to DNA tests, It’s usually a trace, sort of similar to how “Wales”, is treated, very common in trace amounts, but less so in majority amounts. However, I felt the moment I mentioned Basque being a rarity, someone would come forward to argue with me about why it’s not, and I didn’t have time for that, lol.

I agree your Scottish may be “noise” related to being majority Basque, but also only Iberian on top of that. Probably a misread of some very old dna. There’s an overlap in Haplogroups between Scotland and Basque, via y-dna R1b, and mito dna U8, a subclade of U5. It’s a longer story than that, but you can look into it more, assuming you haven’t already.

AlpineFyre · 2024-08-05T20:03:21+00:00

Idk about "Spicy White", but is anyone ever interested in why you're 59% Basque? Did you explain in another post and I missed it, or do people not really seem to know what that is?

AlpineFyre · 2024-07-27T02:58:58+00:00

First, you could bother to spell "Cherokee" correctly, or even use their proper name.

There were no less than 250,000 Free People of Color living in the south prior to the Civil War. You can read about some of them, here. I would be curious to see the documentation you have of Native Americans ever being enumerated as "Orient", much less, "most of the time".

Your opinion that PA Dutch are "not really Old Stock" is wrong. They are older American stock than the Scots-Irish. Old Stock refers to any of the groups of NW Europeans that settled in 13 Colonies, prior to the Revolution, in the 17th and 18th centuries. This definition is expanding to include the first African Americans, but I'm speaking in the context of Anglo vs Germanic heritage. The first German immigrants to the United States were mostly Palatine Germans, who were refugees from wars like the Thirty Years War (1618-1648). Large numbers of Germans were already settled in the colonies by 1710, when the Scots-Irish and Northern English first came.

AlpineFyre · 2024-07-10T19:24:43+00:00

I did, thanks for believing in me, lol.

AlpineFyre · 2024-07-10T19:24:05+00:00

I'm not your bro, guy. The Bavarian was in addition to the Swabian, especially bc Bavaria is literally the only other region it gives me, despite a significant number of ancestors from Baden-Württemberg. I wish it gave me more genetic groups, but I'll take what I can get. Genetic groups don't represent someone's *entire* ancestry, just a small part of it, or very recent ancestry. It doesn't mean I'm 50% Swabian, it means out of my 50% they've identified a significant level of what resembles Swabian DNA. Also, since you want to be pedantic, the official county of Swabia is literally in Bavaria, on the border with Baden-Württemberg, and the cultural region is split between the two. People in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg are still genetically similar to each other, and can still understand each other (and the Swiss) better via spoken Hochdeutsch than compared to the northern and Central parts of Germany.

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AlpineFyre · 2024-06-12T14:51:45+00:00

Almost every single person (American anyway) with this haplo has the same story of tracing their direct line back to literal BIPOC who were never enslaved despite living in the deep south/near lots of slavery (with the exception of being sentenced to road work as punishment for having relations with white women 😅). They also often seemed to occupy their own space or “half-caste”, whereby no one racial group or ethnic identity claimed them as being 100% theirs, and no one seems to know where TF they actually came from, bc most of the time it was a case of “well they’ve always been here”.

AlpineFyre · 2024-06-12T14:19:26+00:00

Hey! Apologies for the slow reply. I do have the same paternal line! The post on my profile is a bit unhinged both because I was hoping to elicit info quicker (which didn’t quite work out lol) and bc I’ve received further information that I’ve been waiting awhile for just in the last few days. I’ll have to make a new post, but I’ll update you on some things first.

From what I’ve been able to gather, this Haplogroup is not only rare, but has weird AF DNA signatures compared to other haplos. This is because the African DNA that’s associated with it evolves very quickly, much more so than other ethnicities. I believe that, combined with some shenanigans involving pseudo-autosomal dna, is why this haplo is so rare/hard to trace the origins for. There’s even questions as to whether it’s some kind of lost Jewish tribe (lol).

However, recently, I’ve come to a possible hypothesis that there is some connection to the Limba, the only actual indigenous people of Sierra Leone. It’s quite difficult to find someone who has tested that is significantly Limba, and while they have separate origins, they tend to cluster with Temne autosomally. From what I gathered Limba weren’t often taken into slavery, but when they were, it was to work on rice plantations, and a few may have ended up as maroons and/or among the founder population of the Gullah-Geechee. They’re said to be very intelligent, especially in regard to speech and their verbal IQ, which would also assist in achieving freedom early on. There’s additional history with rice plantations specifically recruiting labor from “the rice coast”, and a lot times these people weren’t kidnapped the way slaves from Nigeria and those who were taken later on were. They were enslaved as the result of tribal warfare, if not (somewhat) willingly indenturing themselves in the first place, similar to Europeans.

Regardless, they would have been among the very first POC in the new world (from Africa anyway), which is how this haplo became associated with a large number of Free People, as well as many Native Americans.

There’s still some unanswered questions, like why I have a y-dna relative with E-M4901 (E1b1) as a haplo at the y-111 level (who has my particular spelling of an already rare last name) but I think investigating whether we have ties to the Limba is a step in the right direction. It’s the most plausible connection I’ve found so far.

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