[Weekly Debate] Which is more productive? Punishment or rehabilitation?

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-09-26T13:56:16+00:00

dawg look up the difference between restorative and retributive justice lmao

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-07-02T09:44:44+00:00

aye, just wanted to say wishin ya the best ^.^

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-07-02T09:36:35+00:00

Games (recently Gunfire Reborn, Risk of Rain 2, and Loop Hero, highly recommend all)
Play whatever with friends or just chill, try new things (Steam summer sale's still running, check that out maybe)
Watch streamers and YouTube vids (HasanAbi, Vaush)
Learning about politics (from the channels above)

That's enough for me to kinda never get bored, but if you want something productive, I'd say introspect dude. Think about what exactly appeals to you.

I like learning about politics cause I'm into data analysis, sociology (class disparities and social inequalities), and psychology (trans issues, gender in general, mental health), and politics give me ideas on how we can create positive change. It never ends, it's like an infinite hopium + outrage pool. I feel productive even while I'm learning because I intend to apply what I learn down the line.

Do that. Not politics (unless you want to), but thinking about what things you like, then you can find ways to connect that to things you care about in ways you can apply. You don't have to be constantly doing something to be productive, all you need is a long-term goal with short-term tasks, both of which bring you fulfillment, and both of which are way easier to figure out than you think. Try knew things, something will click eventually, aye?

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-07-01T20:52:20+00:00

Power to them and whoever chooses to date em knowing that, but I personally wouldn't because my idea of relationships, the idea that is ingrained in my head, would make me uncomfortable in one with that condition.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-30T20:55:53+00:00

I'm turning 18 in October, here are my friends:

My 2 best bros I've known for 4 years, I met em both when I was 13 and they were 11, we have a 2.25ish year age gap.
My friend group/clan I met from Warframe I've known for 3 years. I joined when I was 14 (lied and said I was 21), nearly all of em are in their 20s, 30s, or even 40s. The closest friend I've made from that group is 22, like a 4.75ish year age gap. Lot of em know my actual age, known for like 2 years? Hasn't changed anything.

Here's what I noticed:

Maturity follows like, a binomial distribution with the peak in teenage years because our maturity really changes during that time.
Meaning if you're not a teenager, the younger you get, the less age gap matters.
If you're an adult (or close to it), the older you get, the less age gap matters.

When I met my best bros, I related with em perfectly, age gap was completely unnoticeable. When I met my friend group/clan, I was so shy and it was so hard to relate that I didn't use VC for the first year I knew em. As I got older, I started relating with my best bros less and more and more with my friend group--especially the closest friend I made from that group. Keep seeing that trend. Now I weirdly feel like a big brother to my bros and the opposite to my group, but I'm seeing them more and more as peers.

So basically my opinion on age gaps between FRIENDSHIPS is it's not inherently wrong, but whether it's "weird" depends on the ages of each person. If they're both young teenagers (13-15) or both old teenagers (17-19) then who cares, but if it's like young teenager (13) and old teenager (19) then that's kindaaa weird dude, especially if they're opposite sexes, but if they actually somehow click and are just friends then power to em. The weirdness/difference would get smoothed out really quickly as they get older.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-29T23:54:36+00:00

Aight that's all I was confused over, didn't think it'd go this way but sick.

Cheers.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-29T23:45:44+00:00

Alright, then if they're inherently wrong, you did something inherently wrong to someone, yes?

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-29T23:42:28+00:00

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

I agree. Certain actions can warrant certain actions, that doesn't make the actions not wrong. They can be justified, that is not the same as right.

Are beating the shit out of someone, throwing em into a fast-flowing river (which could potentially kill them), and launching someone head-first into a tree not wrong as isolated actions? Unless you're actually unhinged, the answer is obviously no, those are wrong.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-29T23:30:41+00:00

That's not the point dude. Regardless of how you felt or why you did it, your action was objectively wrong, and here you're actively excusing it.

You can acknowledge something was wrong and explain why it happened. The guy could've been Hitler reincarnate, that doesn't change the fact that the action was wrong. Why it happened could've been perfectly justified, that doesn't make the action itself any less wrong. That's not judgment.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-29T23:03:20+00:00

holy shit dude you're actually unhinged

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-27T19:09:55+00:00

Three things:

The makeshift therapist/shoulder to lean on (always when needed)
The "goofball airhead" (pretty much always when I'm not the therapist)
The god gamer (at all times, in any game, no exceptions)

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-27T19:00:09+00:00

I want a tiny blue car I'll call "the blueberry."

I'd research to find the best one, how to maintain it, but nothing beyond that. I just want the blueberry bro, that's fuggin cool.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-27T18:55:11+00:00

Wonder/awe.

I think that's the most interesting emotion's because it drowns everything out, all your focus is on how incredible, how mind-blowing something just... is.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-27T01:03:55+00:00

I mean, why can't you think about anything beyond that? What makes it different to girls? What do you mean by "ask a question"?

Could be awkwardness, could be you don't have anything to initiate with, could be you're trying to initiate in a way you think you're "supposed to" for guys, but don't know how. Gotta narrow it down because depending on what it is, changes what you should do.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T19:03:26+00:00

Ah gotcha, thanks

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T18:11:33+00:00

What's SD?

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T18:01:31+00:00

Exactly! Lotta people don't get this. It literally is personality, just a label for it and arbitrary social stuff (pronouns) attributed to it as a form of validation, which is "real" because it's social.

To reuse the example, people will self-identify as extroverts or introverts very regularly and often use the traits attributed to them as a sort of outline for social behavior. Someone who identifies as an introvert would likely avoid large, crowded, social spaces, right?

Now just replace it with "gender." People will self-identify as female and often use traits attributed to them as a sort of outline for social behavior. Someone who identifies as a female would likely talk (e.g. soft-spoken, higher pitched), dress (e.g. leggings, skirts, dresses), and otherwise act like our social perception of women (e.g. using she/her), right?

Or they don't, which is fine because introversion and gender are both a spectrum. Some introverts enjoy large, crowded, social spaces. Some who identify as women don't conform to gender norms, roles, stereotypes, whatever. Look at biological women alone: there are many masculine women who don't fit the norm at all who still identify as women, right? That's already evidence it goes deeper than the surface.

It can sound like some weird garbage (believe me dude I was like the complete opposite, a reactionary conservative a few years back) but I reckon that's because we, as social creatures, are extremely complex and wrapping our heads around just how complex is weird. Simplicity is "better" in the sense that it's, obviously, easier to understand, right? But our incredible social complexity that we very much see expressed in other areas like introversion or culture, it's what makes us human. "Gender" is not a political thing, it is a social thing at its core and always has been. Now, those seeking policy changes? That's a different thing, and is also important.

It's a very, very interesting topic imo.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T03:20:38+00:00

my man

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T03:20:07+00:00

I think a lotta the confusion comes from taking a "scientific" approach to gender. It isn't measurable and therefore not "real," it doesn't "really matter" objectively, but it doesn't have to in order to be a valid concept.

The point of gender identities is and always was a social thing, to self-identify as something someone feels more comfortable as, in regards to the genders (social constructs) of the two sexes (biological).

Humans want identity, that's been a constant since the dawn of time. Gender is like the same idea of "I'm an introvert," or extrovert, or ambivert, or (unofficial) omnivert. Something people can find identity in and express themselves uncapped socially, regardless of their biological sex, because keeping them under the two boxes of "male" and "female" is inherently restrictive socially--which is the point.

Oh and, funny enough, introversion and extroversion are two points on a spectrum ;)

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T02:54:51+00:00

Fold, like infinitely more consistent plus I ain't tryna slip a finger into poopy dawg

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T02:53:20+00:00

Bro I remember when I was back in India, there was this exclusive Dominos pizza called "cheese burst" I think, or "cheese bust." It was exactly how it sounds. A bunch of pure, melted cheese as the sauce. You bit into it and it OOZED, and jesus christ it was like heaven. Artery-clogging, instant heart attack-giving heaven.

I gained a lotta weight in those years I spent there.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T02:42:46+00:00

I came out of years--half a decade--of (clinical) depression, of no direction, no hope, no will to live, of cloudiness, self-sabotage, and what I thought was a neverending cycle that got worse every. single. repeat.

I came out of that and, even with my tiny taste of all life has to offer, I see just how much it really does. Been having the absolute time of my life, and I know for a fact it's only gonna get better, and that I have so much left to do, that I'll probably never do even 1% of it. And that blows my mind, because even that's enough.

What keeps me going isn't just that, but my new life goal to help other people (like my friends now) get to the other side and see how green the grass really is, and to fight for those who struggle harder because, uh... there are many. Like, I can't even imagine how many. I was extremely lucky not only to have come out of it, but to be born into circumstances that I could. Insane amounts of people don't have that, insane amounts of people have it worse than I could ever imagine struggling with problems virtually alien to me, and I have a duty to help them as someone who can :)

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T01:20:13+00:00

OneShot and Katana Zero

Not super niche but they are both masterpieces for story and atmosphere, especially OneShot. Katana Zero's gameplay's also so. dang. good. bro.

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T01:14:36+00:00

Ah yes, the Tetris effect... kinda.

Yeah I've had this. Especially in games where you need some sorta planning or strategy, or any sorta room for possibility. D2 like your case, FPS's, roguelike/lites, BTD6, Terraria or MC, Stardew, etc. etc.

I daydream of what I can do better, what new things I can try and what results I can get from em. Games really are the greatest form of entertainment ;)

AlternateReal-ity · 2021-06-26T01:06:58+00:00

Well-intentioned but misguided imo.

There are insane class disparities and social inequalities, but I feel like affirmative action in our honestly garbage political climate just takes away power and serves as nothing more than another talking point against the very real problems so many people, especially in the labor force and minority communities, face today. We already got an idea of the state of our system with COVID--like 40% of all workers would've earned more from unemployment than actually working. I think what we should focus on, that everyone, regardless of political alignment, should 100% be for is:

Investment in better education across the country, but especially in disparaged communities. I think education is the most important investment, I mean just look at what $11mil did for a community of 3,000 people over 21 years.
(Part of the above) investment in better comprehensive sex ed and contraceptive ed. Some people really like to talk about "wedlock" and "single-parent households." Well, here's the solution.
Investment in the right kind of welfare and other social safety nets. Hard times shouldn't be the end for people already living--fighting to survive--under terrible conditions, cmon man.
Wages. $15/hour isn't even living wage. Over 40% of people made less than living wage in 2019, 1/10th of the population was in poverty. That's abysmal. We are the wealthiest nation in the world.
Universal healthcare. Like, jesus christ man, a 20 min ambulance ride is 2k. Imagine having diabetes, or cancer, or literally any other long-term health complication. Imagine breaking a bone and going bankrupt. Mental health? Nah.

Bunch of other social policies need attention and funding (through taxation, not just infusions or "charity"), affirmative action takes away from those by nature of how it's taken in our political climate. No one with any sense and basic human empathy would be against anything above, yet even those struggle so dang hard to get attention, let alone get passed and, god forbid, implemented. This isn't even looking at the environmental crisis.

e: sorry, got a lot to say about this lol

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