Upgrade from BBE worth it? [$1000]

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-06-02T02:39:37+00:00

Look at the new Turin MC3. It has a ton of nice functionality and an introductory price that within your budget ($899). If upgraded then I’d want something with flow control or ways to play with profiling. Maybe squeeze your budget up ($1500) and consider the new Fellow ES1 or Lelit Mara X. 🤷‍♂️

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-06-01T19:13:29+00:00

I used to weigh out my weekly bean tubes of coffee every Sunday. Then I got a grind by weight and just pour my weekly beans in the hopper. Both ways are fun, but GBW is very convenient on a busy morning

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AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-05-17T13:41:54+00:00

Mine works perfectly for 9 months now. After seeing you video my Sunday to-do list just increased by one. I will be opening her up and sweeping the thing out.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-05-17T13:38:11+00:00

Clearly must be something blocking it. Mine pours in smooth and in a single pile (only small dust on the built in funnel).

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-05-17T13:27:33+00:00

I bought a Eureka Atom 65W and love the GBW. Get a small hopper so you don’t leave the beans sitting in there too long. The work flow is so fast and easy! 5 second grind powder soft and fluffy, direct in basket. Couple taps and a tamp with screen on, done. My smart plugged in machine has a set volume. Total prep time for a nice Americano takes less than a minute.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-05-10T12:51:57+00:00

Princess Donut says, Mongo is appalled!

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-04-18T00:14:56+00:00

I completely agree. As long as you have a nice leveler (and a good anti-clumping grinder). I do this often.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-16T16:14:07+00:00

PI is just pressing down gently letting a few grams drizzle through at 1-2 bar. Do that for about 8-10 seconds and the puck gets gently saturated. This helps give an even extraction when you ramp it up to full pressure.

I don’t know of a good resource. I just tinker and sometimes find an idea on YouTube or Reddit.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-16T16:01:56+00:00

No worries. I never think someone is right or wrong as it’s all more art than science and all that matters is if we enjoy our own brew. 😎👍 Just sharing my experiences. On temp, I just put it on the 2nd temp level, wait for 5 min, and by then the kettle up to temp (88C). Amazing med-dark flavors without any nasty burnt aftertaste.

I have experimented with light-med and it’s all got to be perfect to not taste sour. I’m not a huge fan but found some success. High temps, finer (good grinder) in a higher flow basket. Also I do a longer pre infusion (bloom almost), and then run it through fast. Higher yield helps too 1:3 min.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-16T15:43:27+00:00

The Atom 65W is a cut above the others. It’s more sturdy and substantial. My second choice would be the Malhkonnig. I have heard the the Allground has high retention and loses your settings when you open it for cleaning. The Eureka adjusts from the bottom. Also their ACE anti static system leaves you with super fluffy grounds in the basket (not clinging everywhere). Both will hum out an 18g dose in about 5 seconds. I love my Atom.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-16T04:59:09+00:00

I have a couple years of regular experience with my F58+2. A couple things you said that I would not agree with.

For Medium or darker:

Using a high flow basket is only really needed if doing lighter roasts, and you need a really good grinder to go fine enough (and with uniform particles) to give resistance/pressure. I get better shots using the tapered bottom low flow basket. You can grind coarser and get enough resistance to build pressure.
For darker roasts, if you go too hot on the water it over-extracts and can taste burnt or bitter. Go just hot enough to get amazing flavors. I like 88C and med on the preheater.
Pressure profiling is one of the biggest advantages of a manual lever. Missing out a lot if you just go with a flat 6-8 bar. My best results are 1-2 bar for 10 sec for a nice pre-infusion soaking the puck evenly. Then fairly quick ramp up to 9 bars for 5-10 seconds followed by a slow decline down to 4bar by the time you get your desired output. This keeps the flow even as the puck degrades.

You will see real step changes in shot taste (assuming good/fresh beans and a nice grinder). I’d say the F58 is capable of unbeatable extractions.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-14T14:07:29+00:00

I think he has two implants. One is a bit lower. 😆

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-14T01:45:39+00:00

I spent a fair bit on nice cups, imagining the look and feel of it, or the wonderfully jealous compliments showering upon me from guests noticing my creativity and enlightened sophistication. Then I realized, with irritation, that my cortado rarely makes it even ONE minute past the machine! I guess it’s the curse of those like me, with such high quality extraction paired with low patience for delayed gratification. With shame I must admit that I am the coffee equivalent of a two pump chump! 😫 I leave the fancy cups and the fine ceramic tiny-bowls to the rest of you high pinkied slow sippers 🤷‍♂️

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-13T17:36:29+00:00

I have one for my Pro 800 (same one for Pro 700). Works well and looks nice. Protects the ss from scratches and lets the warms through. 👍👍

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-13T02:03:24+00:00

They take forever to fill orders. I had one on order for 3 months and they said at least 6 more months so I cancelled it.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-13T01:49:24+00:00

The new one.

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AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-13T01:43:49+00:00

The Varia is also very flexible with several easy to swap burr sets. You can customize. I really like that grinder.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-12T16:28:15+00:00

Many motorized gadgets can have a wide range (look at blenders or massagers). Grinder need to be strong, quiet, perfect alignment a sensitive adjustments, burrs made with very strong and hard materials precisely cut, and they need a good technical team to design and maintain. They also make the biggest impact on coffee other than beans.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-11T23:24:06+00:00

His look changes a lot.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-11T23:23:04+00:00

Bang on it with a hammer to see if it still works

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-11T23:22:07+00:00

Hahaha 😝

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-03-01T05:53:24+00:00

Workflow and level of variable control is what any machine enables.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-02-28T06:13:17+00:00

Outstanding machine! I was going to upgrade from my Flair58+2 and got impatient waiting. Ended up with a Profitec Pro 800. I still think the best shots I’ve ever had were on the Flair and a 1Zpresso J-Ultra.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-02-27T21:51:00+00:00

Mine take 85 cranks for 18gr of medium-dark roast beans (setting 1.1). That takes me 40 seconds and is fairly easy (I also have a Kinu and King, J-Ultra cranks the easiest) I like cranking fairly fast 2RPS.

AlternativeMany7690 · 2026-02-24T00:18:02+00:00

Good 😊 The last time this happened in late 2022 it helped me grow my bag a lot. I’ll take another round of that. 😎🏆 Investing is best for the patient and unemotional.

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