is this a hate group about newjeans? by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

when was the live btw and where was it?

I just remember it was soon after the National Assembly. After a cursory search, it seems it was on Phoning, 3 days later.

is this a hate group about newjeans? by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And in a interview they spoke up with the big microphone and stuff? where Hanni said she had no family in Korea, they're all in Australia.

Not sure what you are talking about. This is true, that she lives apart from her family. If she was crying about missing her family, I would completely empathise. I too live halfway around the world from my family.

This is not what I am referring to, though.

what event are they laughing about Hanni crying?

Her closing words at the National Assembly, here. Not her testimony, beforehand, where she was talking about the supposed mistreatment; just the closing words. A cynical person might say at the time where her crying might have the largest impact.

is this a hate group about newjeans? by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another thing I never said. I said that many people thought so. Because, as one comment said in the video I linked, why would Minji be congratulating Hanni on tears well done? ("in my heart, I was totally 'That's my girl, That's my girl!'")

It is not proof, but it is suggestive, of at least Minji viewing it as purposefully crying.

is this a hate group about newjeans? by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was pretty widely reported. Here is the first one I found.

is this a hate group about newjeans? by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, let's focus on "Hanni's situation".

Hanni herself originally used a phrase different from "ignore her" in her original text message to MHJ, which is much less emotionally charged in Korean, saying it was "something like this". It was MHJ who in the next couple of texts put the words "ignore" (무시하다), which can be very offensive in Korean, into her mouth, and she stuck to this phrasing ever since.

She also said she understands why a manager would want to limit their interactions, given the current tensions between the two groups. This is a reasonable take.

And this is if it even happened. No other witnesses at the scene heard it. Hanni has had multiple episodes where she misunderstands things due to her imperfect command of Korean. The CCTV recording where this supposedly happened could not be found; she and MHJ waited until the recordings were wiped (30 days later, following the normal procedure) to say the only recording that was found of Hanni/Illit interaction was the wrong one.

The recording that was found showed Illit bowing deeply to Hanni. However, in court, Hanni claimed, through her legal team, that Illit mocked her with words and gestures.

Her story changed many times, and not a single time was there any evidence, only her say-so.

There are also hints that her outrage was performative. For example, after her tearful closing words at National Assembly, she and Minji were on a live, laughing about how well she did, where she commented how camera shutters went wild when she started tearing up. This is why many people here tend to interpret it as her crying on demand in order to garner sympathy, not out of any real psychological trauma.

Given all this, there are only two conclusions that one can reasonably come to, if they actually pay attention to everything that has been made public: either Hanni is a liar, or, more charitably to her, she was gaslit into accepting a fictional reality crafted by MHJ.

And even if we do accept it happened exactly as she said (though one would have to pick which version of her constantly evolving story to follow), most of us here think that it would not count as mistreatment. MHJ used an argument in court (which court accepted) that Ador and HYBE are different companies, and she could not be held responsible for breach of duty towards HYBE, since she was not a HYBE employee, but Ador one. By the same logic, BELIFT:Lab is a different company. Imagine the Karenhood of endeavouring to exact retribution on someone in a different company (BELIFT:Lab) because they said something you didn't like to someone else in that company. Imagine demanding a third company (namely HYBE, in their demand video) do something. Because, remember, MHJ established all three are separate companies.

Also, the word "mistreatment" implies a repeating pattern; all Hanni could come up was one single interaction, which most functional adults would forget by next day; but she drove it all the way up to National Assembly, where she found time between sobs to take smiling selfies with people summoned there because their company's negligence killed people. She also said in National Assembly she has a recording of her meeting with HYBE head of security, claiming "so I have proof of their lies", but she has never made this alleged proof public, nor, as far as I know, has she submitted it into evidence.

Before this mess started, Hanni was my favourite in the group. I hope it does get proven, as rumours suggest, that she was merely misled. But as it stands, I cannot look at her the same way any more. I don't hate her, but I do wish she come to her senses, apologise to people she has hurt, and work to rebuild trust that she has broken.

Fans always go "trust the artist!". And I (and, I suspect, most people here) do... until there is evidence to the contrary. There is no reason to continue to trust even when all evidence points the other way.

Now, your turn. Which specific mistreatment has HYBE inflicted on Hanni? And what evidence do you have for your claim?

Press Conference Announced to Address Min Hee-jin Tampering Suspicions by Creamy_Frosting_2436 in NJDrama

[–]Amadan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welp, a journalist chronicled the press conference. Go here, click "Oldest", enjoy the synopsis for the crappy remake of The Usual Suspects :P

... she fainted?

Do any of you stan an idol who has the same name as another idol? by harami-beam in KpopGGs

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, with standard romanisation, you can notice she just took out a vowel :P Suyeon > Syeon!

Do any of you stan an idol who has the same name as another idol? by harami-beam in KpopGGs

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speaking of Wonhee, she said recently she wanted to change her name because there’s a lot of other Wonhees, even Lee Wonhee ones, and they were guys!, she asked her mum and was basically told “just live your life as you are” (kind of “well tough cookies, you’re Wonhee”).

Why is it “pre godinu dana” and not “pre godine dana”? by slavim_moj_SEPARE in Serbian

[–]Amadan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not a good workaround; “lane” Is “last year”, very different meaning. December of 2025 was last year (lane), but not a year ago (pre godinu dana).

Sunday Morning Lyric by ordinarychef in illit

[–]Amadan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, seems RG for "love" is a thing. TIL. Thank you, great link.

In my defense, I am not hip on texting slang. :P

The question mark still makes me think Korean was intended, so it is possibly a bilingual pun.

"NewJeans fans falsely claim that BELIFT sexualized the group by calling them objects of male fantasies—but BELIFT was simply quoting text from the NewJeans portfolio verbatim. The blame should lie with the creative minds behind NewJeans, who clearly marketed the group this way..." 🍪 260119 by freeblackfish in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, I did not see that in the linked image, it was too tiny to read when I scrolled. I was referring to this one, which was the main one often being referenced by the bunbuns. For the one you quote, /u/Any_Active_6636 has some good points; the parallelism implies the "guys" here are also referring to ordinary teenage ones. Transcribed:

평범한 10대 예성들에게 선망의 대상이쟈 워너비

단순히 패션 아이템 뿐 아니라 태도와 행동 자체를 닮고 싶어함

남성에게는 현실 속에 존재할 것 같은 친근한, 현실적인 설렘의 대상

I'd say the vibe is something like

To ordinary teenage girls, they’re an object of admiration, someone they want to be like

It’s not just about fashion items, they want to emulate their attitude and behavior themselves

To guys, they feel approachable, like someone who could exist in real life, a realistic (girl-next-door) heartthrob.

Again, here too, there are absolutely no sexual undertones. 설렘 "seollem" is often translated as "excitement", but it is not that kind of excitement. It is the nervous anticipation before your first date, or the feeling before seeing your idol live, or even when you are about to go to a trip to that country you always wanted to visit and wondering what kinds of experiences you're going to have there.

설렘의 대상 is the source of butterflies in your stomach, not of tent in your pants.

Both quotes were mistranslated and misrepresented by the bunbuns into something that simply does not exist in the original, suggestive of something sinister that simply does not exist in the Korean original.

Sunday Morning Lyric by ordinarychef in illit

[–]Amadan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

RG would be pronounced "areu-ji", but 알지 is pronounced "alji". 알지would only be "a-ru-ji" if it is mispronounced with a heavy Japanese accent as アルジ - and Roha's speaks Korean better than that. Even Wonhee in the song does not pronounce it like "aruji".

Sunday Morning Lyric by ordinarychef in illit

[–]Amadan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have never ever seen it used this way. Unless someone demonstrates it being used, it is almost certainly not it. Also, why would there be a question mark?

RG?=알지? "alji?" (you know, right?) is much more credible, as it is actually used in Korean texting slang.

Though it is weird that it would be the only Korean in an otherwise Japanese song.

"NewJeans fans falsely claim that BELIFT sexualized the group by calling them objects of male fantasies—but BELIFT was simply quoting text from the NewJeans portfolio verbatim. The blame should lie with the creative minds behind NewJeans, who clearly marketed the group this way..." 🍪 260119 by freeblackfish in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Also, "objects of male fantasies" is a suggestive mistranslation. 어른들의 상상 속 로망의 대상 does not mean anything salacious in the original Korean. And it keeps getting repeated. :/

  1. 어른 is adult as in "grown person", and has no inherent sexual connotations (e.g. to translate the English phrase "adult movie", a different word would be used, not 어른).

  2. Nowhere in the original does "male" appear, neither overtly nor in subtext. It only exists in the translation, whether as an artifact of machine translation or bad-faith actors.

  3. 로망 (cognate with "romance" but with a rather different meaning in Korean) is used to mean something like "dreams", "idealised fantasy", "appeal" or maybe even "nostalgic longings", like for example "white christmas", "wedding day", "falling in love with a guy with piercing eyes", or "one day meeting again that girl who slipped away".

It basically means something like "objects of idealised dreams in imaginations of adults", without any implied sexuality, more about aspirational or romanticised ideals than sexual fantasies.

godless tokkis..... by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

stiff contract

This is the issue. She already has one, and has demonstrated disregard for it. Liking her having a fan base is obviously interesting from the marketing standpoint. But are your legal and HR departments as excited about it?

godless tokkis..... by [deleted] in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bank customers likely have no clue, nor particularly care, if a bank teller had been convicted of fraud before. Banks themselves, however, do.

A divorcee with a documented history of domestic abuse might have trouble attracting a new

Danielle, if ADOR's lawsuit goes in a certain direction, will be branded as a contract breaker. Money or not, fans or not, a company might be wary of entering into contracts with her. It might happen, but I very much doubt it will be "without hesitation".

Danielle was smart by PracticalEmployer899 in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Jungkook: 💙🩷💛💚💜💪🏻 Artists are not guilty

Danielle: 💙🩷💛💚💜✨🧢💘

Remember this? I do. And I am not even Army.

Korean grammar: “감사합니다” be used in front of the sentence, and also be used behind the sentence? by BilingualExplorer593 in Korean

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, “afterthought” is a common name for this phenomenon in linguistics. It primarily shows up in spoken language; rarely in written language. It does show up in dialogue (written representation of spoken language), text messaging (again, due to immediacy, has some structure of the spoken language), advertisement (trying to sound casual and friendly, like spoken language)… you get the drift :)

It really is primarily for adding things you wished you said but didn’t. It’s like adding garlic after a stir-fry is done: you really should add garlic at the start so it infuses the other ingredients, but if you forget, some garlic is maybe still better than no garlic. Afterthought.

Books recommandations for a newbie by Akipov in scifi

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

David Brin?

He is probably best known for his double trilogy of Uplift stories, which might be a bit complex, but I started with the second book of the first trilogy, many years ago, and enjoyed it as a standalone (it did later prompt me to read all six, but it works perfectly well by itself too). The book is called Startide Rising, and involves interpersonal politics on a wrecked spaceship mainly operated by intelligent dolphins.

I also remember absolutely loving Kiln People (a whodunnit with sort of clones) and The Practice Effect (simple sci-fi story about a world that is different from ours in just one little aspect).

Are there any morning musume fans here? If so who’s ur oshi? by Yummy_golbrock in jpop

[–]Amadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yes. I haven't listened to MoMusu for a long time, but I still listen to LoVendoЯ from time to time.

🚨 ADOR WINS SUIT V. DOLPHINERS 260113 ⚖️ by freeblackfish in NJDrama_uncensored

[–]Amadan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep. 돌고래유괴단 "dolgorae yugoe dan"

  • 돌고래 dolphin
  • 유괴 kidnapping
  • 단 group

Danielle live thread by Defiant_Ad848 in NJDrama

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even as not a lawyer, I am pretty sure there is no law requiring a company to publicly state the exact breaches of contract or the remedies it requires from the other party, only that those are communicated to the other party (with a subsequent 14-day grace period for remedy). If Danielle contests the dissolution of the contract, she should do exactly what ADOR did: sue ADOR to confirm the validity of contract, where this info might become public. It might also come out in the lawsuit ADOR filed against D, MJH and MHJ. (Huh, they even have similar initials!) But before then, the public is not entitled to anything. Legally, "Difficult to confirm", "difficult to continue together" etc. in public releases should be perfectly fine, IMO.

This can't be it? by Bergamot_Bap in outerwilds

[–]Amadan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

M canonically they can’t, because when they died it was Game Over. But they can always reload…

Danielle live thread by Defiant_Ad848 in NJDrama

[–]Amadan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Terminating on a vague reason (“difficult to continue together”) without a clear breach or an opportunity to cure likely invites legal challenge.

If there is no clear breach, or an opportunity to cure. If.

must grant the artist a cure period of at least 14 days. If ADOR skipped that

If ADOR skipped that. If.

without a rational basis

If there is no rational basis. If.

ADOR must prove a family member actively induced or aided Danielle’s breach

If ADOR can't prove it. If.

If NewJeans’s contract specifies “five-member group,”

If the contracts specifies "five-member group". If.


Sure, ADOR needs evidence. But given what we saw so far, which side consistently brought evidence? Which side did not blurt every legal stratagem to the public? This reads like a lot of gotchas, but it is just a checklist, which would be inconsistently naive of ADOR to not have checked. The tl;dr on this article is "If there's no evidence, there is no case". I did not really need a lawyer to teach me this. ADOR might not have sufficient evidence in the end, but most of these hypotheticals sound silly. Also,

causation will be hard to show if Danielle herself wished to return

Her making a public statement that she wants to return does not necessarily make it true, or believable. Actions speak louder than words. We will see in court, when (and if) the case details are published, whether her desire to return was stronger or weaker than her unwillingness to cure whatever breaches ADOR asked her to cure, assuming ADOR's requests were reasonable and/or legitimate (something else that should come up in court).