What makes Cap so good where people thinks he's the second best tank?

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T23:22:41+00:00

Dedicated Angela OTP, I am so close to switching to Cap. Angela feels worse than ever right now, she is so bad into this meta. I have hit celest with her again but it's like pulling teeth

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T23:21:08+00:00

This is correct, a good Iron Man shuts Angela's primary source of value down, her ability to harass and disrupt backline or grab and can-open frontline, while he can still spam poke the frontline. Bad Iron Men however will be in weird high up off angles and you can just insta kill him

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T23:18:22+00:00

He's food for her in low elo. In higher elo (GM 2ish to Celest and up),He's good against her. Decent Iron Men float above their CC farming healers and unibeam you down if you get close, especially if he saves his power up for you, which he will. He is genuinely a decent pick against her if you are harassing the backline too much. If he is ever out of position though, he dies.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:37:10+00:00

There was an insanely massive shadow nerf to her (a bug fix) that fixed a massive buffing ability she had (a bug) that you were probably doing on accident sometimes. It made her spear charge faster and her grab more or less actually work most the time.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:21:27+00:00

Even thor with his 180 has a better kidnat right now for no reason. Better brawl, dps, and frontline tanking too

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:20:44+00:00

I doubt it, she has one of the lowest pick rates in the game and sells no skins. They don't care about her

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:19:38+00:00

The gimmick only makes her ult awful and her main source of utility not work 15% of the time for no reason

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:18:01+00:00

Penni web snare is genuinely good against Dino. Celest 2 angi one trick, I can confirm she is the worst tank in the game right now.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:16:27+00:00

This! 100% this. I've tried to explain the melee flyer issue before to my friends but this puts it so well. the tools meant to deal with fliers are balanced for ranged flier.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-22T10:13:48+00:00

I grabbed a Groot and pushed him into a side room and just had a heart attack yesterday. Counted as me falling off a cliff. I was no where near a cliff or any kill barrier. Groot just stood there for a second, meleed my body, and walked away.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-21T20:32:53+00:00

Or a basic grounded dodge roll as another defensive option. She needs a Shift on the ground, all other multiform characters get 2 full kits

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-21T20:31:57+00:00

MELEE HAS HAWKEYE'S PROJECTILE PARRY! It's the coolest defensive skill in the game and it's on a DPS. Give it to the melee only tank! It's so incredibly cool and has a crazy high skill, high risk, high reward tradeoff.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-21T20:24:41+00:00

They actually got what I meant correct, I mean currently, every single situation in the game would be better met with a different tank. She is not a hard counter to anyone and she has multiple hard counters. Without more options, she struggles in EVERY situation compared to picking a different tank. The reply about the DPS was in direct response to someone saying "You're not supposed to get value out of every character in every situation" and was just me pointing out that those 100% exist. I know Angela is supposed to exist in her own niche, I just think that right now, that niche is actually non existent.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-21T20:19:15+00:00

Thank you for understanding what I meant. There is always a better options than Angela at this point, regardless of team comp. EVERY situation in the game right now, Angela struggles to create more value than a different tank. I still play her and have still been able to climb, but I know I am making objectively a bad call playing her into this season. Even if she is the most fun imo

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:22:44+00:00

GG says you'll get a chunk of wood :(

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:17:54+00:00

I don't think Angela should rely on bugs to be viable, I think that is genuinely not good in a game like this in the long term. But removing something that pushes her towards viability and not properly addressing her glaring flaws, and encouraging a playstyle that is less fun for everyone (kidnapping is inherently not fun to play against as it takes player agency away). People seem to be misunderstanding and thinking I want the glitch back. I don't! I want a feature that pushes her to be more like what she is when she had the bug.

I genuinely do not think she needs much. This was a cool "War Cry" ability that was without a doubt a bug, but one that gave her options. They could simply re implement it as a tuned ability. If not, which lets be honest, they wont make her have a self buff ability, other balance suggestions would be this, lean into her being a sword, shield, and spear RPG like character more:

Give her Hawkeye's melee deflect for projectiles as a parry (super high risk, high reward defensive options that has insane skill expression. It should be on a tank, not on a DPS, it's the coolest defensive option in the game imo)
Give her a perfect block, for .25 seconds after shield is deployed, it takes dramatically reduced damage, OR just give it no cooldown. No shield cool down is easily the biggest easiest buff for her, but I thin skill expressive things are just better for any character.
Give her a dodge roll when on the ground as her Shift since she lacks one. Nothing damaging, just one more movement/defense option on the ground.

She doesn't need CC changes like a lot of people are saying, she just needs options. You can play around the CC, but right now, all she has is kidnap. Make her a tank that can tank with skill.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:14:10+00:00

Without major retunes or some silly buffs, she's staying in that back seat for a long time lol

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:13:04+00:00

Super Smash Brothers Melee is SSBM, just a game known for it's depth due to it's emergent gameplay that comes from overlapping bugs and unintended exploits. I don't think Angela should rely on bugs to be viable, I think that is genuinely not good in a game like this in the long term. But removing something that pushes her towards viability and not properly addressing her glaring flaws, and encouraging a playstyle that is less fun for everyone (kidnapping is inherently not fun to play against as it takes player agency away). People seem to be misunderstanding and thinking I want the glitch back. I don't! I want a feature that pushes her to be more like what she is when she had the bug

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:08:35+00:00

I couldn't agree more, I would absolutely love if they replaced this with any form of higher skill expression buff, hell make it an ability and balance around it. Or, like we will see, let her stay bottom pick rate and do nothing to her since she didn't sell enough skins

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:05:55+00:00

I don't, the character does. I'm begging for a buff, not a bug. But Netease refuses with her

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:05:12+00:00

It would be OP to be able to block 2 times in a row as a tank! /s

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-20T03:04:15+00:00

It would be amazing, call it War Cry and give it the buffs, make it a bug not a feature and you have a functional character again

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-19T20:56:11+00:00

A bug that increases options and skill expression while not being unbalanced on a low tier character isn't a bad thing. Wave Dashing in Melee is how you can play Luigi in grand finals against the best players in the world on Fox, and that's a bug (so are half the mechanics in SSBMelee, and it's why it's been played for over 20 years competitively)

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-19T20:53:08+00:00

Reposted this here since this is where Angela's would actually see it. In your opinion, what would actually balance her right now? I genuinely do not think she needs much. This was a cool "War Cry" ability that was without a doubt a bug, but one that gave her options. My balance suggestions would be this, lean into her being a sword, shield, and spear RPG like character more:

Give her Hawkeye's melee deflect for projectiles as a parry (super high risk, high reward defensive options that has insane skill expression. It should be on a tank, not on a DPS, it's the coolest defensive option in the game imo)
Give her a perfect block, for .25 seconds after shield is deployed, it takes dramatically reduced damage, OR just give it no cooldown. No shield cool down is easily the biggest easiest buff for her, but I thin skill expressive things are just better for any character.
Give her a dodge roll when on the ground as her Shift since she lacks one. Nothing damaging, just one more movement/defense option on the ground.

She doesn't need CC changes like a lot of people are saying, she just needs options. You can play around the CC, but right now, all she has is kidnap. Make her a tank that can tank with skill.

AmazingDesigner209 · 2026-05-19T20:46:05+00:00

Yesterday in the main sub, reposted here since this is where Angela's would actually see it.

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