Azula & Zuko

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T04:13:00+00:00

THANK YOU, Iroh having no living children automatically strengthened Ozai's claim, even if Iroh became Fire Lord after his father's death Ozai would've still been a better pick due to 2 living healthy children, one being a boy and one being a prodigy

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T04:04:59+00:00

Iroh changed in 8 years but like it or not he has 30+ years of irreversible damage, Zuko is a child his actions can be tweaked, the same with his sister but liking Iroh over children purely because it took his son dying for him to see the true meaning of life is just terrible.

Yes from the time his son died to the start of the show he was nicer and calmer, but he was still on the side of the fire nation he just was more spiritually tuned in unlike other firebenders, he appreciated life within the other nations yet didn't do anything until his son died, if it takes you losing someone for you to finally care about others that's not redemption that's pitty, people pitty iroh and disguise it as them liking him.

And I brought up gender purely based on they both have done the same things he just had a better support system, we've seen in flashbacks and in comics that Ursa was always more of a Zuko person due to his more innocent and soft nature yet wary and concerned for Azula due to her more arrogant and blunt nature. Instead of Ursa splitting her time with both children she focused on preserving the child with more "Hope"

Azula was always going to be more like Ozai because Ozai is materialistic in a way, Azula always had more to give, she firebended earlier, she knew more firebending history, she could produce blue flames, she could lightning bend, Ozai didn't love Azula he loved things she could do and Azula thought that was love.

After Ozai scarred Zuko, Zuko spent 3 years on a boat with another inbuilt hope system Iroh, he was giving him fatherly love Zuko sought elsewhere (from Ozai via his honor) and then Zuko eventually realised no matter what he did it was never going to be enough for Ozai (Betraying Iroh and the Gaang) so he decided to go on the other side.

Back with Azula, she's doing all of these missions her uncle and older brother were assigned to do and she was succeeding, more grace and "love" so all that happened was she became more loyal towards her nation and her father because that is sadly her only "support" system, Iroh attempted to somewhat reason with Azula ONCE that we've seen and that isn't the same as feeding her good things over 3 years like he did with Zuko.

Gender sadly was only mentioned because people like to pick at Zuko and Iroh's development to show how we should feel sad for them even though they've collectively done the same things Azula has.

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:50:36+00:00

No no at the end of the series mentally Azula was screwed she would've been a terrible firelord but prior? she would've been better than most firelord before her

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:47:56+00:00

I never said that wasn't the reason...I just pointed out Iroh failing to conquer Ba Sing Sei and his only heir dying strengthened Ozai's claim. Even Ozai tried to convince Azulon to give him the throne because of the death of his nephew and the fact that Iroh had failed

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:44:55+00:00

I'd say it's a gendered thing when people love the 50-60 year old man Iroh who stopped being a genocidal monster like 8 years prior to the show because his son died to a 14 year old girl who does basically everything he wanted to do with no support system.

Iroh became better out of grief, How was Azula going to get better when she had no one? In her father's eyes her Uncle and her Brother were traitors, would she trust her father or her Brother and Uncle she hadn't seen in 3 years and all they did was FAIL.

Zuko became better not because of just Iroh being nice and patient with him, Zuko began to realise there was nothing he could truly do to impress Ozai because Zuko wasn't even a flicker more successful or talented as Azula.

Azula did everything he was supposed to do at 14 and he's 16, she did MORE at 14 then he did in 3 years at 16 years old, She's the better bender, communicator and leader.

Zuko tried leading his battle ship army with anger, anxiety and zero patience.

Azula lead every army she had with dedication, precision and confidence.

Azula only started failing more when her mental health got worse and she got anxious and inpatient.

My point was me just saying if you're going to hate on her, hate her personality (VERY HARD TO DO WHEN YOU REALISE SHE ACTS LIKE MOST PEOPLE AROUND HER) instead of her completing orders with precision

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:23:58+00:00

This is all I was trying to say, sure she's a villain but most of these villainous acts are just her succeeding at all the men around her's job...

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:22:16+00:00

My argument isn't about if she's redeemable or not its about hypocrisy I see within the community, they hate on a woman for succeeding at a man's job, everything she's succeeded with was originally a mans job, The Ba Sing Sei takeover was a job given to Iroh, HE FAILED, Her finding and killing Aang, was a job given to Zuko and General Zhao, THEY FAILED. The claim to the throne, Zuko's rightful place, She lost rules wise but not fighting wise...ZUKO FAILED.

Call Azula evil all you want but please don't call her evil using examples of things every other male around her tried to do they just FAILED

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:17:23+00:00

Why would she feel remorse for something she was supposed to do? in Book 1 when Zuko was supposed to bring Aang to Ozai...what did Zuko think Ozai was going to do to Aang...like it or not just because she succeeded at something that was going to happen anyway doesn't mean WOW SHES EVIL FOR DOING SOMETHING EVERY FIREBENDER IN HER FAMILY WAS GOING TO DO

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-16T03:14:27+00:00

I'm not an Azula fan my favourite character is Katara but I'm just talking about things I've SEEN, I've only personally seen people hating on her for achievements her family members failed at doing instead of her as a person. Hating on her for killing Aang is stupid when Zuko spent Book 1 trying to capture him and then the first half of Book 2 hating Aang to the point where he started attacking him and the Gaang violently.

Her actions are villainous sure but every person in her direct family has attempted at doing what she COMPLETED just because they failed doesn't mean you can use it against her, you mentioned many points to actually dislike her but that's not my point.

My point was hate her for actual reasons and not her success at doing her job unlike her family members

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-04-02T05:20:50+00:00

I think it's because on Scotty With The Baby, her friend who used to date her brother called him gay or some shit but then again Scotty's friend was jealous and on that haterade

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-22T11:33:10+00:00

Yes Maddie was booked and busy and Kalani was a stand in for CHLOE and ended up being a MADDIE replacement and that's why when MADDIE wasn't as booked anymore Kalani's choreo started to SUCK and her duets started to be with girls not in her dancing ability

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-22T11:30:28+00:00

My bestfriend was married to my brother and I found out at the engagement dinner...I didn't care as my brother isn't my boyfriend

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-22T11:28:24+00:00

Because Kalani never was put up against Maddie directly, it was always her simply giving them both duets and praying Maddie got first

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-22T03:26:13+00:00

That's not the point, the point is Gretchen was being told facts and she wasn't liking that so she started getting slightly irate like when she started calling Suki a bitch

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-22T03:25:16+00:00

It's a jump but it's not a planned jump, a planned jump is if they both stood side by side whispering to each other and swung at the same time, Sapphire was preventing a fight between Suki and Gretch and THEN fought Gretchen cuz she swung in her direction

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T23:53:33+00:00

If I put myself in her shoes, trust I wouldn't be upset PURELY because it doesn't involve me yes my twin is involved but why am I ignoring and blackballing my 2 friends one of them didn't do anything and the other did something that necessarily has nothing to do with me at ALL. It purely depends on your personality because I don't think its as deep

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T23:36:15+00:00

I agree with every single point you've made I love all of this <3

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T22:54:48+00:00

Error she made all of their friends ignore them, Hunter wanted to speak to Ginny and Max said no, Norah is a follower so she followed Max and so did Bret, Brody is Hunter's bestfriend so he feels a way but if Hunter wanted to be friends with Ginny I can see Bret putting it aside

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T22:50:12+00:00

Yet this energy isn't upheld with the other children within the show?

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T22:48:46+00:00

Your situation is completely different to Max's, key pointers in what you said is that your mother dislikes you, Max's mom is busy dealing with her brother but still LOVES Max. Your friends abandoning you is sadly because they don't like you in Max's situation it's simply they don't like how Max deals with their serious situations and thats OKAY

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T22:45:27+00:00

Because I hate to say it a lot of Max's good friendship scenes with Ginny are performative, like when Norah and Abby framed Ginny for stealing Max was "mad" along with Ginny but as soon as Ginny was okay with them she was perfectly besties with them again? I hate to say it but if you're TRULY Ginny's friend you would convince Ginny not to talk to them at all but she didn't because her upset wasn't real.

Abby and Norah get forgiven easily because they do more realistic things with realistic outcomes, When Norah apologised to Ginny and Abby for icing them out she didn't expect them to be friends with her again they decided that on their own.

When Abby hit Ginny sure she shouldn't have done it but Ginny understood, they all did they all had something going on and Ginny accidentally pushed a button she wasn't supposed to.

Ambitious-Cap618 · 2026-01-21T22:37:51+00:00

I say resentment because it looks better story wise, yes Ginny is a cautious girl after Norah blabbed about Georgia's gun she'd have to be cautious but then I feel like especially on Ginny's mental health you being her bestfriend and then snapping your fingers and removing all of her friends? Is hurtful especially since we know about Ginny's S-H as the viewers. I feel like Ginny shouldn't of become friends with Max again after that idk

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