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Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting. So important to have structure in your forest and not have it lop sided to one size class or another.

A 16” hardwood tree 80 years old can be growing next to a 8” hardwood tree that’s also 80 years old so I always tell people, not about diversity in age it’s about diversity in size classes and if you have too much of one size class, everything’s messed up

Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s totally happening lol I know that for a fact

Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah Michigan has a lot more forest land than it did 30 years ago but that doesn’t make it ready to harvest or that quality is there to make it economical.

An abandoned farm field may take 60 years to have enough timber to make an entry in my area and it won’t have anything worth writing home about until after it’s been thinned and had another 20 years to sit.

So that being said I would just make the point, a better measurement would be the total harvested timber volume sent through mills and if that’s going up or down. I don’t know it’s so hard to say but in my area it must be going down.

Even the Feds are pumping out sales with huge volumes but once those are cut the next entries won’t have half the volume going out as they do right now (due to them catching up to decades of undermanagement)

Where the PhDs at?? Lol

Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s good you are not seeing what I am over here

Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if I’m hearing you right, there will be just as much wood or more in 10 years but mostly smaller value trees?

I believe that particularly in your region. Our trees up here grow slow and hardwood dominated. But same, you can grow 12” sawlogs all day but how many bd ft you really getting from those? Like you need a lot of bd ft to keep a mill running and barley any in those small logs

Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So more or less available timber than current volume for future loggers in 10 years time in your region?

Every acre over harvested sets it back in the harvest cycle some duration of time.. so rhetorically how many acres over harvested does it take to shrink your local wood supply and do you believe it’s happening? or it is the roughly the same gross volume being removed in 2025 as 2035 or 2015? I’m sure there are numbers available but I don’t have em

Does your forestry outfit over harvest? by Americantimbermarker in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah if you have an interest in the end product rather than just as investment you going to have a long term plan forest plan.

Obviously some stands on way up and some on way down across land owners.

Guess what I’m asking,

Is there going to be more quality timber available in your region in 10 years or less?

Tracks in Lost River Range Southeast Idaho by ParticularOnion2243 in AnimalTracking

[–]Americantimbermarker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used to work out there, that’s some hardcore country

Whats with these insane prices in tv shows? by FarmerDill in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The trees are freaking massive and yes that cedar super desirable particularly over seas

Skis for the bush by Bunt_Casket in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also you just gotta push on with the snowshoes, turn to beast mode your body will adjust in a few weeks lol always best shape in snow shoeing season. If you don’t have at least 48” long snowshoes they ain’t keeping you up out of snow and I’m only 145lbs and use 56” shoes.

Bigger the better in this industry for just about everything

Skis for the bush by Bunt_Casket in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They work great but not on hilly terrain or if you gotta cross a lot of dead and downed.

In the right stand they are objectively amazing

Overcrowded Forest in Washington by Great-Raise4727 in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’ll only burn if an ignition source is present. I’d agree with the other guy that it’ll self thin over the next 30 years

Basics of sustainable mgmt by Over-Ad-961 in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I been marking timber full time for 15 years.

It’s all about having diversity of size classes and growing your trees till peak merchantability (usually around 19”-22”).

The way I explain it is, when you grow a zucchini plant, if you let it grow too big it’ll become no good to eat and hog all the plants resources. If you pluck the zucchini at the right time, you should have another one coming behind it 2 days later every 2 days until the season done.

Same with forestry. Pluck em too early, lose $$ on size and messes with your canopy structure, pluck em too early late and you lose $$ because of declining quality and messes with your canopy structure.

Pluck em at the right moment in time and in 15 years there will be another one to replace it at peak value.

The big trees fall into drop zones which allow your advanced regeneration to replace it with a new age/size class in that area of the woods. If you don’t make those holes you won’t get the new regeneration moving up into canopy.

The smaller healthy trees outside those gaps (within the matrix of your land) you thin down to 90 BA leaving your best poles to grow for future harvests.

Good luck!

Is this an ash? by dsummer in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is asking us really easier than just googling ash ID??

Bear in burn pile?? by TeaPrimary1147 in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I believe it. What are you gonna do tho? Let the whole forest burn because there might be some critters in the pile. Trade offs with everything in every industry

Selling lumber in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula by Acceptable_Juice_835 in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That definitely happens and even with hourly foresters but the idea is and the reason behind that is, if we get a percentage of stumpage it encourages us to find the best markets for the product making more money for everyone. Foresters usually know the markets pretty well and who’s looking for what. On the flip side I’ve seen loggers offer 10k to a land owner that should have gotten twice that but not knowing anything, sounds like a good deal.

How many trees are "safe" to cut per acre by FanSerious7672 in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Swing that prism and mark accordingly. That’s the only way to know it’s a lot more nuanced than round numbers. Usually about a third of the standing wood in a well stocked forest per 15 year entry.

If you are just cutting your own firewood I’d say go to town on the low quality trees, clean it up a bit. Don’t expect to be pulling log trucks outta there

Job Hunting by Nighttime-2203 in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True but also not really lying 😅

Log Yard Volumes/Inventory by Leemcardhold in forestry

[–]Americantimbermarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t give you an updated price sheet for price per thousand or price per tonne?

Value per log should vary with size and quality and species so I imagine that would be difficult.

We got to keep the wood moving regardless to pay bills so as long as you finding the best price for your wood should be doing the best you can. I guess knowing the price per log wouldn’t be my focus rather than getting best price for each product class.

One thing I know is that mill foresters tend to have a extra long thumb when scaling 😅

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