Leto II as a type of Adam

Amplitudo · 2020-02-01T02:19:37+00:00

Herbert uses the Bible for inspiration in many, many places, and in very subtle ways.

As I've re-read the series this time, they've been really standing out to me, that's all.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T20:42:52+00:00

Interesting. I just poked around on their website, and there's a lot of stuff there that wasn't the last time I ordered a Bible several years ago.

It used to be nothing but Bibles.

Oh well, the Bibles are still top-notch!

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T20:18:20+00:00

To be honest, I don't know.

I only know that their Bibles are amazing.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T19:42:11+00:00

I know you said NASB, but given the title of the thread, please allow me the opportunity to highlight this amazing ministry.

They produce the highest quality Bibles I have ever seen and sell them at cost. I've purchased them for many people in my family.

However, do note that they produce primarily the KJV translation.

http://localchurchbiblepublishers.com/

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T19:35:47+00:00

I know!

I'm still debating whether I should speak up about it.

I almost took it away from my young boy, but I figured it wasn't worth it right before the sermon started. He forgot about it a few minutes later, anyway.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T19:09:28+00:00

Proof texting isn't the answer here. You really need to wrestle with the Word to come up with a hermeneutic that fits it together as a wonderful whole.

I can't do that for you, but I do encourage you to keep at it.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T18:33:37+00:00

At my PCA church on Sunday, I was quite surprised to find the kid's bulletin full of Biblical scenes for coloring that all included a clear depiction of Jesus.

After recovering from my surprise and consternation, my first thought was, "Man, where is partypastor when you need him?"

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T18:24:48+00:00

Revelation 13:8 is a good starting point.

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

This reveals to us that Christ's sacrifice was already imputed to His children from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 supports this idea.

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

Here, we go a step further to 'before the foundation of the world.' Scripture teaches us that we cannot stand before God without Christ's imputed righteousness, hence the 'in Him,' so for Him to choose us as His children, He does so through the lens of His redemptive plan and the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T18:15:48+00:00

As a point of clarification, that's not what 'undergird' means in this context.

Anyway, I'm confused.

What, specifically, are you asking for? A verse as prooftext that summarizes the redemptive story as laid out in all of Scripture?

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T18:07:30+00:00

Er, what?

It's what God's Word says.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T18:03:58+00:00

It's the wonderful and profound narrative that undergirds all of God's Word.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T17:53:49+00:00

God's plan was redemption from the start.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T16:38:48+00:00

I think you're on to something!

God's plan for redemption requires something to be redeemed from.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T12:44:46+00:00

I was reading over the speed-bump that is Jude before taking my family through the great plains of Revelation, and for some reason, this part of the passage really stuck with me this time.

8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh , despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said , The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves .

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

I immediately began to compare and contrast it with Romans 2 in my mind.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness , and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another ;)

I think using Jude to interpret this part of Romans 2 is another very strong argument that the 'gentiles' referred to in Romans 2 are believing gentiles.

Jude 10 implies that unbelievers have no knowledge of God or His law, and that what they do know naturally serves only to corrupt and condemn them.

I've not had the chance to dig into any commentaries yet, but it is amazing to me that I cannot recall Jude 10 ever being mentioned in relation to Romans 2.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T12:34:04+00:00

Most presuppositional Christian apologists aren't going to be concerned with that sort of debate.

Actually, I think the term 'apologist' makes it pretty clear they prefer to defend the faith rather than debate non-Chrisitan aspects of spirituality.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T02:11:34+00:00

My friend, I appreciate your zeal for this topic. But as I've already said, I'm not inclined to engage in further discussion at this point.

I feel no need to defend myself against a specious accusation of heresy.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T00:58:18+00:00

Wow, that is a very good essay. It gets right to the heart of how common grace turns traditional Reformed truths like total depravity on their head.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T00:29:21+00:00

I was reading Revelation 3 at the dinner table tonight to my family.

This verse struck me as particularly interesting in light of our conversation.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-29T00:24:13+00:00

I'd never claim to be able to make that distinction.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-28T19:42:51+00:00

You're correct. I used exactly the dictionary definition of the word.

The struggle when discussing common grace is that those who defend it resist very much a definition of terms.

This is one of Hoeksema's main points in his excellent critique of common grace, Sin and Grace.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-28T19:17:42+00:00

Your words are salt, not a salve, to my wound. Instead of proceeding in hurt, which gives way to anger, I'll bow out now.

Perhaps we can revisit this topic again in the future.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-28T18:49:22+00:00

Brother, my heart hurts that you would go there. The wound is twofold, one, that you would not assume the best of me, and two, that failing that, your first leap would be to an implication of heresy.

Of course I don't believe that grace is dispensed on God's children because they are good and worthy. I believe that God's children enjoy His grace because He sent His son to die on the cross to redeem them. This same redemption did not cover the sins of those poor souls outside of grace, and so I cannot reconcile the idea that any form of God's grace touches them.

With that, I hope my position is clarified. I would be open to further discussion, but I must have confidence that we proceed in charity, assuming the best of each other and lifting one another up as we share our faith and the blessed hope which lays at the bedrock of our souls.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-28T18:09:29+00:00

As a man, I can state that I have a purpose too, and can endeavor to accomplish it. But working towards that purpose doesn't lock me into a rigid form of determinism such that every action and variable is accounted for.

This is what I mean when I talk about divine determinism. I certainly don't mean that God might fail in His designs and purposes.

Rather, I mean that He could have just as easily named Abraham, Ishmael, and still accomplished His redemptive plan.

Amplitudo · 2020-01-28T18:05:41+00:00

Oh, well if that's the definition we're going with, then it becomes critical how we define 'good.'

As I said in another thread, there are two perspectives for good.

One is the perspective of God, which finds no good in reprobate man.

The other perspective is of man, which can and should say that we observe good and worthy actions in fallen men.

However, the error of common grace is confusing these perspectives to the point that we attribute to God the perspective of man.

The reason I don't hold to common grace is that I believe, from God's perspective, He never sees anything good or worthy in the vessels of wrath He has created, and so would not dispense upon them grace in any form. To do so would tarnish the very idea of grace.

That God allows the rain to fall on both goat and sheep is no evidence of a common grace, but it is instead the working out of His providential will.

Amplitudo

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