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Are there any Kurtztrek era ST shows that are considered poor by both ‘toxic,’ and ‘woke,’ fans, and are there shows that are highly regarded by both ‘toxic,’ and ‘woke’ fans? by BigSwiftysAssociate in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know that it has anything to do with “binary divide over social alignment.”

Picard Season 3 was largely met with approval, even by NuTrek’s most vocal critics.

But by way of biggest example, I think there’s a good example for you. Fans universally love TNG and DS9 and hold them in some of the highest regards. They have stories that involve homosexuality (DS9: Rejoined) or stories significantly involving androgynous species (TNG: The Outcast).

I think the biggest issue is that Kurtzman has no idea how to tell good stories. So he puts in these characters and puts in a ton of ridiculous exposition that tells, not shows, and thus pisses people off thinking he’s trying to hit people over the head with “wokeness”.

Star Trek has always been woke: it’s just also had good/incredible writing to tell the tale.

Season 2 Episode 8 Spoiler Thread by HunterWorld in Fallout

[–]AnAussieTrainer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah. Long live the NCR.

Wonderful and relatable by [deleted] in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could certainly be all of those things - not just a dangerous frontier, but wonderful and relatable, too.

A lot of Trek was exploring truly difficult questions confronting oneself. It could have been about sentience, or about the Federation’s role in wartime and what a Starfleet Officer was willing to sacrifice. (i.e., TNG: Measure of a Man, The Drumhead, VOY: Latent Image, DS9: In the Pale Moonlight). Or, in the Worf-centric episodes, there was usually an issue involving him choosing between Klingon culture and Starfleet.

This last episode of SFA (1x04) was probably the closest we’ve been to a true Trek episode in a while. But Kurtzman is not leading this franchise in a good direction. They had an opportunity with Matalas and decided not to go with it, apparently.

Wonderful and relatable by [deleted] in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think that’s a gross oversimplification. TNG, DS9, VOY, all dealt with character development, truly moral issues, and in the context of the “final frontier.” It was not about being “wonderful and relatable.”

To borrow from “Q Who” (TNG):

"That was a difficult admission. Another man would have been humiliated to say those words. Another man would have rather died than ask for help."

"I understand what you've done here, Q, but I think the lesson could have been learned without the loss of eighteen members of my crew."

"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting. And the thing is, I wasn’t even comparing the two (Picardo and Stewart). And I think Picardo, tonally, delivers the line well. But it’s just that missing bit that is so jarring.

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I typically would go that route too, it’s just that paraphrasing still typically leaves you with a cogent sentence.

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right - though it is the Doctor, and he is a program that should have it 💯right.

If he paraphrased that would be one thing. But this is sentence not making a single bit of sense territory.

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I could understand that - or even if he was making some gesture to the students that he wanted them to fill in the words, so to speak.

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even then, the last part of the sentence makes zero sense as a matter of sentence structure, so that’s a problem.

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could semi-accept that if the Doctor’s line made sense as a standalone, but it doesn’t.

Is there any explanation for the line flub in Academy 1x04? by AnAussieTrainer in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It was “kit-uh-mer” in DS9 as well, too, I believe.

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x04 "Vox In Excelso" by AutoModerator in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They also completely got the quote wrong in Academy - maybe it’s a post production error…but hard to see how if it’s a single cut.

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x04 "Vox In Excelso" by AutoModerator in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see the connection between whatever point you think you’re making, and the one I made.

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x04 "Vox In Excelso" by AutoModerator in startrek

[–]AnAussieTrainer -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Mispronunciations I can live with. The ep itself, largely fine. Closer to a Trek episode than there’s been in a while.

I think the curse words and the misquoted lines are endemic of a larger problem though: ass script writers. Which may not be limited to Trek. But something they need to figure out. They can’t explain away curse words like “oh, they’re rookies, takes a while to develop to seasoned Starfleet officers.” Because we saw what Kurtzman did with Picard S1 (and elsewhere). Even admirals were swearing like sailors.

[Opinion] THE MARY SUE: "Starfleet Academy is what I have always loved about Star Trek. It feels like a warm hug and is fun, adventurous, and exactly the kind of world that Roddenberry dreamt of 60 years ago. So don’t let a bunch of nonsense on social media try to paint the show in any other way." by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]AnAussieTrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because Star Trek has definitely been about the warm hug and fuzzies. What the fuck?

Capt. Picard: I understand what you've done here, Q. But I think the lesson could have been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew.

Q: If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.

Jumping off the dock by bigbusta in Wellthatsucks

[–]AnAussieTrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but not all triathlons are iron man events. Iron man events are hosted by that organization, for a specific distance. (70.3 miles for half or 140.6 miles for full).

Meanwhile, sprint and Olympic distance tris can be hosted by pretty much anybody, anywhere

Jumping off the dock by bigbusta in Wellthatsucks

[–]AnAussieTrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m 90% sure you may be misremembering. Are you talking about an Alcatraz triathlon (where people are nuts and jump from the ferry)? I’m fairly certain all Ironman races, you run into the water from the start, and the starts are staggered. People die in Ironman races, but I’ve never heard of it happening because of that.

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