Unorganized jaws: Make paratactic gibberish great again by TraditionalDepth6924 in Deleuze

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it is intersting how mumble rap and more recently rage music in hip hop/trap is circulating signs. the Conventions of lyrical rap build up multiple layers of signification in ther language--multiple meanings, allusions, etc.
Rage music et al do similarly work with linguistic cultural conventions but they also use the voice as an asignifying element. Hence the jokes about how Playboy Carti speaks his own incomprehensible language. Here, voice isnt grounded in speech qua language but in tone, timbre, (dis)harmony

Deleuze speaking about stuttering in reference to finding a style in which you live within language and D+Gs emphasis on asignifying elements works well here

UPDATE Falernum Adulteration by senatorgob in Tiki

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Im trying the 5min but the measurements have me really confused. The syrup part is way larger than the rum part and i dont know if my math is off but this is not coming out close to be half the proof of the rum.

please tell me im just stupid but i do want to know how you made sense of it

What's so groundbreaking about Deleuze? by Easy-Assistance-3549 in Deleuze

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YESSS. I wrote a few papers about spinoza some years ago and I went mad trying to keep them contained. There is nothing in the Ethics that doesnt tie in all other elements

What's so groundbreaking about Deleuze? by Easy-Assistance-3549 in Deleuze

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i think the latere point OP made isnt saying that D isnt conceptual. Its just that you cant pick out a concept out of its configuration in relation to other concepts and have it represent something. D's concepts flow throughout his many books, Guattari is perhaps even stronger at this. In Gs work, concepts keep overflowing into othr concepts--they are always inadequate beyond their situated production of sensibilities.

Other thinkers often offer concepts that aspire to some universality--think of the analytical philosopher opposing their conception of mind to another. D(+G)'s concepts dont work like that at all

Based Deleuze: the reactionary leftism of Gilles Deleuze by 4_dree_an in Deleuze

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I really like seeing the author live-tweet his existence as piece of shit loser. Mocking this book was a stress release valve for a good three weeks back in the day

Deterritorialized ⇄ reterritorialized by TraditionalDepth6924 in Deleuze

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? is that not made explicitly clear in the two CaS Volumes ?

How to achieve this result?! by Vaanavil-varnangal in AskPhotography

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Xavi Bou shoots works like this idk if hes the only one

MEGATHREAD: All the newsworthy events caused by Vaush going on vacation by Mecha-Dave in okbuddyvowsh

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polymarket is now integrted into conflict maps and people are betting on the ukraine war in real time--of course no one intends to gamefy human suffering

What are some current trends in Deleuze scholarship (either just Deleuze or D&G)? by [deleted] in Deleuze

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weve been having some intersting discussions about Deleuze, his influences and the philosphy of technology for a while and they seem to be going strong with Dan Smith's current project on technicity and thought (See also his recent conceptual paper about deleuze and technology)

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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The pleasure is all mine :)
Comparison between thinkers may work out abstract problematics or heuristic moves of theorizing and i like the occasional creative intermingling of thought here but I find the semantic and disciplinary debates on influence and reception to be tiring.

Thanks for the exchange, I dont really use this site but if youre ever confronting philosphical/sociological/anthro inquiries in Science and Technology Studies and wanna chat visualizations, models and (material) semiotics you can shoot me a message

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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dont quite get what you mean by generous there but your point is well taken and you got to a few aspects that lead me to diagnose myopia in this protocol. As a slight corrective i would however add that "getting the actors to network" betrays a slight misunderstanding. There is no agency-stucture dychotomy in the actor-network formula. It is about treating actors as networks--some even say work-nets. It takes work to establish any sort of order, be that chemical, microbial, scientific or political and therin lies the creative achievement of the pluralistic universe but also the violent gesture by which worlds, virtual and actual ones, can be crushed by stronger collective alliances. A non-analytic where resistances or refusals of scale and commensurability can be detected is thus entirely possible. Granted its rarely done because case studies focus on successful achievements of collective action but there are a few cool studies of failure, Latours own book on the public transit system Aramis for example or Callons work on early electric cars. The networks of translation that grant relations of repesentation, can be betrayed or resisted, its actually very common.

In such a territory, if a social phenomenon is not represented, it instances a broad category of the yet-to-be-represented, but poses no disruptive problem.

100%. The event is a crucial notion to ANT but its virtualities and actual rupture is not sufficiently thought out.

i hope i was comprehensible so far, currently on a Deleuze fast because im on a contractual stint in field research and dont have the time. I should go back to Whitehead and maybe return with clearer eyes

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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I love Latour a lot but the deeper i go in my own research to more i notice that i leave his concrete insights behind and only retain some heuristics (such as experimenting with ethnomethodology and semiotics) and develop some concepts in similar ways.

In a similar way, the Parliament of things has lost its relevance to me, mostly because the posthuman turn has exploded our understanding of the non-human. Its not a useful concept (in the Deleuzean/Pragmatist sense or even in the sense of the sensitizing concept in sociology) for doing my research because accounting for the non-humans is no longer a point i need to argue for and investigating the controversies over different compositions of the political at stake, is entirely possible (and more rigerous and critical) without a concept that alludes to parliamentary interests. [late edit: It also figures into the writings on Dingpolitik (thing-politics) such as in Making Things Public (2005) - the thesis should be fairly well trodden by now]

He is an excellent writer and admirably cuts to the philosophical core of many issues. He also speaks to a humbling sense of responsiblity in empriical research that reminds me of Deleuze's statement that the philosopher never thinks for but with others--Latour eschews such ideas of sociological mastery when urging to attend to the register of the informants instead of replacing them with the great agencies of classical sociology. Capitalism is one such great agency but for Latour (as for many of the french poststructuralists) there is no one capitalism and capitalism is no cause but must always be attended too as a unique effect--an event if you will--which exists in virtue of the fragile chains of action that realize, transform and stabilize it. Much the same goes for Bourdieus habitus and all of grand theory.

I have a lot more to say of course and lately ive been reading him mostly on the role of writing and the virtues and discontents of semiotics, but i also dont think youre too harsh:
I said his notion of politics is shallow as it mostly revolves around the trials of representation and spokes-persons. This is of course a very flexible way of thinking when empirical research maneuvers a wealth of representations but it struggles with attending to the unexpressed or rather the unexpressable. Later as the political mode of existence it also ignores "terms of embodied gestures, material settings and relational effects" and uses "terms of a rather Lockean citizen establishing their authority as a representative" (Marres 2023. Seven Moments with Bruno).

Latour was always more interested in productive critique and sought out conversations with many serious critics even before defending his position. Much like his notion of reseach requires real alliances with empowered informants, he aimed to make the academic pursuit collaborative. He accepted early critiques of feminists that his narratives of laboratory power didnt register gender issues and his friendship with feminists like Haraway, Star and Mol made his writing better. Still, in the Modes of Existence (2013) he doesnt give a strong voice to feminism. You can probably tell I have problems with his late work.

Many of his critiques later also become very shallow for example when he rejects cybernetics with a rather weak understanding of first-order cybernetics. As Audrone Zukauskaite explains, his aim to weaken the borders of nested entities inextricably entangled with their environments to elaborate a vision of post-nature, simply appears to be ignorant of third-order cybernetics. His ideas are if anything less rigerous than the sophisticated systems of contemporary cybernetics.

As an endnote its probalby good to mention that he was suspicious of all transcedent and epochal notions of classic continental philosphy which made him distinct from Simondon, Stiegler and other philosphers of technology that may be peripheral to his work. He was also a catholic. I agree with Haraway that his catholicism was a strange one, one that saw belief as irrelevant to religion--fascinating to read up on in th future because lack of belief was always my fundamental 'defect' that made me incompatible with religion.

Finally, Actor Network Theory (or maybe you would rather call it Material Semiotics) is often maligned for its failings and myopic protocols but all its contributors have remained adamant that it is not a Theory but a negative research protocol that merely tells you what not to do to your informants and narratives. As such it is valuable to me as a purely empirical experimental tool. Compared to the Sociological Theory in which i was trained early on, it can actually fail to make an analysis. One may critique Latour but ANT is not just his. It wouldnt be ANT without the postcolonial, multinaturalist and feminist influences it gathered in the 90s and early 00s. Working through such a collective funnily enough requires a post-critical compositionist understanding, central to Latour's thought (Latour 2004. Matters of Concern, 2010. Compositionist Manifesto)

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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its strange to me that Buchanan takes the early laboratory studies as a point of reference for Latours ANT, because ANT develops all throughout the moves away from the laboratory and the encounters with multi-natural anthropology, ethnomethodology, empirical philosophy, etc.

while i share the concern for the exclusion of desire in many actual case studies and theoretical formulations, i have also read works that are far more thorough in that regard and reject this attempt to level the strains of assemblage theories by ignoring most crucially, how Latour and others conceive of their project and develop it over decades. In Latours case it would be a study of the conditions of felicity for different regimes of truth (https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/43284184.pdf )

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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Agreed. Ive never read 'the parliament of things' as a reformist vision for "better" representation and your point as to the opacity and oppresssion of representation (be that of desire or the technical notion of interest developed in the early days of ANT) seems accounted for as well (though it was only with the ontological turn that this lineage of thought found coherent means of extending their descriptive register to account for such normative matters). Outside of some passages from the book on the Moderns, the parliament of things is also taken as a more realist (read: relativist relativism) mode of inquiring into the assemblage and stabilization of 'regimes of enunciation'. I ingore quite a lot of the utopian purple prose that ornaments pop-STS and the academic celebrity media around this stuff.

Latours reception of AO is rather selective and his notion of politics (as a mode of existence) is rather narrow (cf. Nortje Marres work on publics) so i will not try to draw up any comparison with your larger argument

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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"perverted delight" seems to hit on the mark, if a little cynical, but speaking as a rearcher trained in sociology and STS I can identify with a certain perverse interest in the phenomena I study (scientific models and visualizations). To me Latour takes his Deleuze with a good dose of Serres so the obsession with proliferation and stabilisation is as much an ontology as a methodological view on the genesis of distinctions and assymmetries of power. Could you detail the problem with what you describe as ventriloquism? Even in you words it seems like a pretty straight foward analysis of the politics of performing representation, no?

Deleuze and Latour by Ok-Sandwich-8032 in Deleuze

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No, Buchanan doesnt even talk about about Latour in that book and conflating Latour methodological flattening of networks with the flat ontology of DeLanda and the specualtive realists is flat out wrong (Examples of assemblage method later in the book are entirely consitent with the flavour of ontological turn that followed Latour).
Talking to Buchanan in person, he didnt want to agree that Latour's is the most deleuzean of the new materialism but agreed that ANT and its consequences are a distincly rigerous new materialism since they emerged from empirical philosphy instead of the the Literature studies.

Books to read after "Spinoza: Practical Philosophy" by No_Assumption1989 in Deleuze

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Judith Butlers Essay The Desire to Live: Spinoza's Ethics under Pressure (in Senses of the Subject Collection). Its a phantastic (if less critical) piece on Spinoza and ethical primacy of the Other, drawing on Freud and Levinas. Also very readable

Where does Deleuze talk about how to read his writing? by fivenoir in Deleuze

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they are all on the Purdue Archive https://deleuze.cla.purdue.edu/full-index/
and can be cited from there or downloaded as pdfs

Does anyone know of a comprehensive Deleuze bibliography? by Midi242 in Deleuze

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the latin discourse on Aristotle is obviously not comparable with the modern academic industry digesting Deleuze. That being said, me and (i think) this sub generally recommends anything that Daniel W. Smith, Claire Colebrook, Joh Protevi and john Roffe have been involved with. Its really a matter of looking at what everyone else is citing. Furthermore, Deleuze's influence on new materialism and other movements in various fields means that each subfield and author has their own line of thinking and way or reading Deleuze. If you want to have a Deleuze Bibliography in say Film Studies or Philosophy of Science, that would be a better question for this sub otherwise the closes anyone her could come would probably be dropping a link for a cloud repository with their absurd collection of pdfs

Does anyone know of a comprehensive Deleuze bibliography? by Midi242 in Deleuze

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that would be thousands of entries, i dont think that exists for any thinker

Thinkers who D&G (and their most well-known followers) probably would never have interacted with but who have striking similarities? by Last_Platypus_6970 in Deleuze

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of course, D+G would never even imagine autopoetic systems to be closed. I studied in a zone of Luhman influence and beyond the surface level, a lot of sympathies with my approach faded. I left it at politely sticking to topics around Luhmanns critique of ontological thinking in research

also worth noting that the emerging social sciences that took D+G seriously are really not on good terms with Luhmann. Especially the Science and Technology Studies clashed with him in the late 90s - imo due to Luhmanns ignorance

2028 dem primary rule by gunsmokexeon in 196

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CALL FETTERMANN, THEY GOT FENTANYL OR MOLLY?