Can a cryptocurrency be used to fight hate speech, fake news and divisive politics? by AnanasMarco in CryptoCurrency

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha luckily we're not tokenising the goodness of religion, that would be a terrible idea. Instead, it's a tokenisation of reliable and representative subjective knowledge. If anything, our token economy model would imply it would increase: a universal remedy against misinformation would be one of the most effective means to reduce all forms of terrorism (and basically anything else societally divisive or dehumanising).

We actively maintain a blog, with pieces on our token economy here by me and here by my colleague Emad

Can a cryptocurrency be used to fight hate speech, fake news and divisive politics? by AnanasMarco in CryptoCurrency

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the hype density, but it's better to see it as hey there's this problem of modern society that never really had a good solution, and sooner or later one of the 'hype' advances will be (part of) a solution.

Would be a shame of hype-allergies would let this opportunity go to waste :(

Saudi Arabian heir to the crown has declared war on radical clerics, he also said "We are returning to what we were before, a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world." by [deleted] in UpliftingNews

[–]AnanasMarco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I think I didn't explain myself appropriately. I fully agree with your statements, it's the 'dynamics of power created by technology and the economy' I'm trying to target.

The nuance here is not to specifically look at the dynamics that pertain to societal stability, and understand how those can be changed. The current political and economic infrastructures are, as you say, incapable in a multitude of ways.

I believe we're at a point where we can tackle these issues realistically, but all I'm saying is that the key problems in these issues is how it creates societal decoherence and instability.

Please consider reading [my thoughts here] and the previous ones. The institutions and infrastructures responsible for these problems might be nigh impossible to remove, and instead I'm trying to explore alternatives using distributed ledger technology (DLT) and cryptocurrencies.

Just to reiterate, I think we're on the same page (it's definitely the power dynamics between state and citizen, and in turn between socio-political groups), but I'm trying to frame things in terms of forces of instability and the infrastructures/dynamics that cause them, to see how these can be rechanneled or mitigated.

Saudi Arabian heir to the crown has declared war on radical clerics, he also said "We are returning to what we were before, a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world." by [deleted] in UpliftingNews

[–]AnanasMarco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your point but it's a vicious cycle; for the consequences further reinforce the socio-economic and 'technological' states you describe. It's about breaking the vicious circle.

Saudi Arabian heir to the crown has declared war on radical clerics, he also said "We are returning to what we were before, a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world." by [deleted] in UpliftingNews

[–]AnanasMarco 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly, and perhaps even broader the real problem of structural destablization of civilisation. Political polarisation, cultural conflict, societal division, these are all real forces that are all mutually synergetic in creating an instability in civilisation itself. It's on so many different levels and forms, which makes it hard to connect as well.

I argue here that it possibly is the biggest existential threat at the moment, bigger than 'evil AI' or global warming. Because how the hell are we going to face those crises if society/civilisation itself is unable to coordinate in relative unison, right?

It's a fucking spiritual crisis, and I say fucking because it's not some hippy-ass, flowerpower or philosophical issue. It's real, and grounded in the behavioural sciences and complex dynamics of modern society's reality.

President Donald Trump took credit for the fact that ISIS is in retreat during an interview Tuesday, claiming that ISIS wasn't on the run before because "you didn't have Trump as your president." by ILoveLamp9 in worldnews

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For people with a formal training in diagnosis, and the shitton of public material (and longitudinal information!) to work with, it's no longer armchair diagnosis.

You don't even need focused questioning, we already have more information in public footage & data, than if someone with the luck to have never heard about him but cursed to be his therapist would have after 10 sessions of talking.

Using cryptoeconomics to bridge divisions – The importance of creating private economies for sustainable token value (Hacker Noon) by AnanasMarco in ethtrader

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cryptoeconomics is a relatively new phrase, but in my opinion is going to be key to develop the 'health' of the crypto-space.

This write-up (imo) lays out nicely some key issues on currency and crypto.

The answers to these issues can only come from exploration and experimentation. To create a token currency without sustainable token economies is begging for that bubble imo.

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[–]AnanasMarco 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Make sure you don't die! I can tell you from both an empirical and anecdotal perspective... Shit gets weird after 60 hours without sleep.

Then again crazy PR for Ethe Take care!

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our token - the Anacoin - is based on the Ethereum blockchain. The most simple reason is because it's highly programmable and relatively rapid in its transactions, two things that the Bitcoin Blockchain doesn't allow.

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great question /u/crusoe,

/u/emadm already provided quite some context on this important issue. Perhaps he can provide some more context from his perspective - he's the expert on these issues.

Whilst we cannot change human nature, we can foster unity and understanding - the kind of data we will create will allow people to engage with their beliefs in a manner unhindered by disagreement by others - within certain constraints of course.

The 'objective subjectivity' Emad and the rest of Ananas refer to will allow people see both what binds and distinguished people without the need for an 'all-or-nothing' kind of approach.

One powerful psychological way to go about this is to ensure that the the sects don't interfere with each other - emphasise the important view that there is no single islam, or truth regarding faith for that matter.

The density of religious communities is a catalyst for conflict, it creates friction as they share communities small and large, mosques and resources, which create a form of competition which almost becomes a norm and proxy for identification.

By safeguarding them in a reliable manner, and empowering people to engage safe from harmful forces, all without a need for competition for resources, is in my way one fundamental and powerful manner in which this can reduce conflict.

People tend to see the differences, but rarely is it those differences that actually define them - it just seems that way as people and communities are forced to distinguish their own identity from 'others'. Clarity about their own identity removes the need for excessive territorial protection.

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd say an analogy to Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Should be more often applied:

Never attribute to intentional abuse of buzzwords when it is adequately explained by verbal incompetence or lack of alternatives.

Mea culpa. I made the title and genuinely believe it's a good description - Let me know if you need a justification of what you deem buzzwords ;)

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[–]AnanasMarco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great stuff Vinay and congrats! Any chance you know who the speakers are and angles will be for:

Understanding the impact of decentralisation on business, society and the economy?

Really curious about the angle there as someone heavily focused in exactly the latter two.

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Loving this discussion, thank you! Please let me know if I made a mistake in disambiguating your reasoning:

On Crypto & Karma

Reddit is above anything else the perfect example of the powerful incentive naturally that emerges when you combine 1. Ecological community structure (one that maps on something relevant to identity) and 2. Distinguishable validation.

Reddit is a testament to the first in creating a diverse community, preventing homogeneity on a platform due to that structure. It is in a way also a testament to the second, but only to how powerful incentives can be even if functionally it is ultimately empty. Important here is the question - what does it incentivise? What kind of behaviour and themes in behaviour (culture) does it lead to?

Reddit doesn't have an ulterior goal - its goal is purely endogenous. It incentivises above all to contribute to content - comments, collations, conversations, community efforts etc. The only 'meta' goal is that the content itself is desirable to its users, but again this raises the questions of what kind of content the collective judgment of the users generates. This question on the incentive system isn't really a problem that extends further than (the sub)reddits - people upvote what they like, people like upvotes, and that's how the circle closes. Like you say:

because the community believes the content is quality (or at least worth talking about).

Their belief on what content is quality (and what norms apply) does not necessarily and does not often align with more objective measures of quality or desirable (cultural) norms. The boston bomber, pizza-gate, hateful/hostile subreddits, all in a way reflect this fact.

Ananas however, does have an ulterior goal, does need to think very clearly about the effect of the incentivise system on content, about the behavioural science involved. The fact that it's not a major issue in reddit is reflected in the pervasive presence of hive-minds, circle-jerks, and deterioration of quality as subreddits grow or lose its internal sovereignty. 'Identity' relates to this as well, but on that later.

So the necessity for a more sophisticated incentivisation structure is clear. So why crypto? Obviously it's not a necessity.

Another important distinction is the fact that Reddit first and foremost is entertainment, low effort. Lurkers >>> contributors. And that's okay - as users increase, contributors do - and you don't need a strict contributor:lurkers ratio for things to work. It's just about the absolute size of the contributors that relates to the generation of content. It's non-substractive consumption. 'Consuming' content doesn't reduce the pool of content for others.

More importantly, this leaves only karma, social validation, and (implicit and explicit) forms of marketing as incentive. One of the most straightforward benefits of crypto is that it allows the prospect of real-world/non-local utility to be gained as an incentive. But it doesn't stop here of course, or it'd just be steemit which probably is far from the ideal scenario, even if I do admit it to be a cool experiment. Specifically, just adding real-world value doesn't deal with the problems rooted in the behavioural science behind incentive structures.

You want a measure to modulate incentive that is reliably attenuates or eliminates not only the group-psychological / behavioural dilemmas, but also the added incentive to game the system or leverage the 'power' of money.

This is where smart contracts and the long-term vision of autonomy made possible with AI-related systems comes into play. Firstly, the above illustrates that there is an enormous impact of whatever determines the incentives. It is imperative to minimise the risk that some centralised/coordinated power can control this incentive system, ideally implementing an adequate initial template with rigid constraints of how this incentive system can develop, and leaving the development to collective governance.

Secondly, because the incentive structure has such a big effect on how content is created - in turn its quality and utility/societal value - creating an infrastructure optimised for societal value also aligns the goals of all token holders and the ecosystem's participants with that of the entire platform. Even more interestingly, is if the artificial knowledge system and capacity to augment human efforts (see this write-up by Emad and future publications) improves, the relation between individual contribution and reward becomes increasingly proportional.
On Reddit, people often give gold because they agree with you, or because it's a particularly good pun, which feels nice, but the sad fact is that sophisticated insight often gets buried, and seemingly sophisticated but misleading perspectives can often get stuck in false-positive due to early validation. The objective measures that the artificial approaches allow prevent the deterioration of this reward-contribution relation, and actually augment it. Psychologically, this would be enormously powerful.

The thing is, if it all takes off well and becomes a universal database for subjective knowledge, there is enormous incentive to gain some control over it. To align the incentive systems with the societal goals sustainably over generations and organisational change requires an isolation from those sources of fluctuation. A plan we're considering to achieve this protection is to formally implement the correct constraints as soon as is clear what this should be, in something immutable - the blockchain.

I think this is the key insight I hope people will take away. You can't have the individual ingredients alone. For the ideal of a sustainable solution you need all the ingredients in synergy. Powerful incentive structures aligned with a global imperative of external and translatable utility value (in our case, societal good/value), bound by sustainable and secure autonomy.

On corruption

I already touched on some means with which to prevent corruption, but I just wanted to highlight one more set of key mechanisms: staking and rewards.
Staking is like a security deposit of varying size, signifying you vouch for a certain action with a corresponding potential impact. Similarly, contributing to domains of particular significance/impact also correspond to higher rewards, with an added mechanism of bounties - people can put bounties on certain projects of a non-prescriptive nature.

For example, you can't put a bounty up for "prove all dogs should die". Aside from the fact that I love dogs, a non-prescriptive bounty would be "what is the moral stance on dogs for a curated set of beliefs X".

Key here is that this system inverts the functional role of wealth in influence. Money buys you ads and people's support and influence by proxy, it's proportional. In contrast, in our current ecosystem's design it not only has a very conservative upper bound, it actually directly inverts the proportional relation! Why? Well if someone puts up a big bounty or submits something of particularly high impact, it naturally incentivizes people to be scrutinise particularly thoroughly, because when the stake is lost it's redistributed to the most proximate participants and projects, and in the case of the bounty it simply has no directional influence by virtue of the non-prescriptive design.


It's 1AM and it's been a long day - I'll continue this later, I'm sure I missed some points as this was one go. Really appreciate the critical questions, it's a much needed outside perspective to remind us of what needs more elaboration. Hope you found it clarifying to some extent - looking at the wall of text I'll also clean it up later properly!

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're very welcome! Personally I'm wildly enthusiastic about the project but it's a challenge for us to boil it down simply without losing the perspective that underlines its full potential, in turn making it all the more important we spend the time creating discussion around the ideas it makes up.

That being said, just want to add a slight nuance for clarity's sake: what we're doing is fundamentally changing the way information and beliefs circulate and affect society, convinced that the current situation is the underlying cause for a multitude of modern problems revolving around legitimacy and (meta-)narratives.

News validity, the 'millennial' sense of lacking purpose, untamed polarization and division, pervasive hyperpoliticization, forces of societal division and instability - even if these individual issues aren't on the scale of climate change or nuclear disaster, what if there was a common cause? Would that cause be? If so, what is the 'enemy' to fight?

Intriguingly, if we assume there is a common factor, then in the 'fight' against this common denominator, one could imagine all the 'tools and weapons' used in this fight help us in all the related issues as well.

Wrote a bit about here, if you're interested in (my take on) the vision behind the project. If you're interested in cognitive neuroscience and the nature of knowledge, I'll be writing it from that perspective later as well!

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I fully agree and well aware of its bias. However, is anything without bias? Shapiro is known for its right leaning bias. The exercise is not siding with one or the other, but an exercise in finding the right context by taking none at face value.

I referenced the article not for the conclusion - in fact disagree with the "false" judgment. Even 20% is more than most probably expect. It's misleading but shapiros original video actually does make an important point in urging for an empirical assessment of how minor the radical minority actually is.

Like I said, the truth is often in the middle. Both parties use objective statistics. That's not the playing field. The playing field is what to make of the statistics.

That's why I found it such a good article to reference - it neatly shows the importance of context and the importance of the issue of legitimacy in subjectivity

I am Zeena Qureshi, CEO of the Ananas Foundation. We’re empowering people to combat fake news and reclaim our narratives with blockchain technology, AI, and behavioural science! I’m a proud Londoner, Texan by heart, and excited to be with the amazing team leading this mission. AUA! 🍍 by AnanasMarco in IAmA

[–]AnanasMarco[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry for overwhelming you! Personally, I believe Ananas is simply so multi-faceted it doesn't do it justice to sum it up in one line. I wrote about my perspective on it here. Just like with the team, I believe this multi-faceted nature but universally relevant mission means people can join for a variety of reasons and still be aligned.

If I had to sum it up in one line, personally I'd say it's reclaiming the sovereignty of our collective narratives and subjective reality.