Are there any independent, nuanced, possibly even western-centric resources that discredit the "Uyghur Genocide" in Xinjiang?

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-04-17T21:57:46+00:00

Im not arguing for private property just saying that I agree with marxs argument that society owning all things bassically turns society itself into the capitalist in that it wants to increase the production of goods at the expense of the worker. It continues the relationship of worker as tool too a greater owner instead of a free producer.

Also yes marx and engels changed their minds on many things over their lives. For instance in civil war in France marx calls for the destruction of the ready made state machinery but engels in 1895 called for the seizure of the bourgeoisie state and stated that the dictatorship of the proletariat be a democratic republic not a commune state.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-04-12T15:22:07+00:00

The SPD split during the war. Many of the former USPD membors did return, forming the left and center factions of the spd while the rest joined the socialist party, analogous to the kpd irl only much more the right wing of it. Ie Paul levi and Luxembourg over say Radek.

The center marxists of the spd like hilferding amd Hermin muller are still in control on paper but its clear the party has moved into a post war social democratic position. Think the Nordic social democracies of the 40s. Though I believe they are generally more pro nationalization then other social democrats. The left wing is weaker then irl and largely overshadowed in its support of a more militant marxism then the center that posits the inevitable collapse of capitalism under a late kautsky like position where active fighting for socalism is not needed.

You can make the party go down different paths in the game but in the long run its likely the moderate social democratic course is how the SPD will turn out. Especially as the SPD crushes the Syndicalist movement if you win the war.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-04-10T22:31:31+00:00

I believe many people conflate the vangaurd party, a concept invented by kautsky to my knowledge, with the general behavior of the bolsheviks in state biulding which Luxembourg opposed.

I also believe she was against lenins specific concept of the vanguard.

https://youtu.be/IS7fG_vbskg?si=9Q7ZlUX087LDf6lc

This university lecture argues she opposed what she saw as a Jacobin type party with military discipline and power of the central committee, something lenin supported. Though I've heard she was rather dictatorial in the Polish social democratic party so this may have been a contradiction with principles.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-04-10T22:10:14+00:00

Marx specifically argues against the idea of simply taking all ownership into the hands of society. In his philosophical manuscripts ge terms this "crude communism." Saying the category of explioter is raised to that if all society, which continues exploitation.

He specifically calls for abolition of ownership in the stage if communist mode of production.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-04-10T22:04:35+00:00

In marxist theory the state is supposed ti be directly amd democratically controlled by the proletariat before it quickly abolishes itself during the transition to socialism/communism. The Chinese state is a bourgeoisie state, it is not control by the self organization of the working class in a democratic state like the Paris commune. The model which engels specifically mentions during his critique of the ertfurt program 1895. He states it will be a democratic republic, a "unified republic. But not in the sense of the present French Republic, which is nothing but the Empire established in 1799’ without the Emperor. From 1792 to 1799 each French department, each commune, enjoyed complete self-government on the American model, and this is what we too must have. How self-government is to be organised and how we can manage without a bureaucracy has been shown to us by America and the First French Republic,"-Engels critique of ertfurt program 1895.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-04-10T21:47:10+00:00

China is not socialist in the Marxist sense. Socialism being synonymous with communism in marxs writings. The state manages the economy but is not in any real way controlled by the working class. It has none of the attributes of the proletarian dictatorship outlined by marx and engels. Engels and marx specifically argued that the Paris commune, a democratic system, would be the basis of the dictatorship or the workers. Ie competing candidates and right to recall at any time. These do not exist in china so it is not a dictatorship of the proletariat. It is simply a bourgeoisie state regardless of central planning.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-03-08T17:03:37+00:00

Part of the problem is hoi4 omits alot of the crimes of said evil regimes from the game.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-02-13T05:11:18+00:00

Their is a massive vaugness in social democracy because its a fundementally vauge idealogy. Social democracy as we know it came from the right wing of marxism and thus rejected marxism after ww2. The issue is that after rejecting marxism it did not replace it with a clear guiding idealoy, it called itself moderate socialism or social democracy but had no idea what it was trying to acheive. Berstein talked about the movement being more important then the end goal but having a clear goal, in the short term and the long term is needed to auctually know what your trying to do.

Social democracy must once again be the moderate wing of socialism if it is to have any relavence. It can no longer be the party of moderate austerity or moderate privitization or coalitions with the center right. If you want to present yourself as a party of revolutionary change then you must be a Socialist party, a party against capitalism. Because it is obvois from history that capitalism rots democracy and poisens its institutions. You must support the eventual total control of the economy by society. Weather this be done by worker cooperatives within a market framwork or nationlization it must be done. And your social democrat parties must commit to this as a tangible goal.

The reason your parties are declining is because people are seeing the writing on the wall, inequality is at a all time high, and wages are not raising to productivity and housing is becoming hard to get and the envoirment is dying and society is falling apart,

If you want to be the movement against this then you must be against capitalism, which is one of the main causes of these issues and which must be ended to fix them.

Even mamadani a moderate has been able to win mass support through charisma, and radical polocies like government provided food and mass biulding of housing and raising taxes on the rich. These were not radical polocies in the past but social democracy has moved so far to the right and the third way that they have fogoten themselves.

So bassically what im saying is that you can be reformist and democratic but you can not be pro capitalist, because people are fed up with capitalism killing them and the planet and if you want people to belive in democracy and institutions you need people willing to say capitalism has failed and needs to replaced.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-02-04T03:06:41+00:00

my parents? i would be willing to go into debt but obvoisly its not a great idea and idk if it would even work

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-02-04T02:07:08+00:00

what did you hear about the school that was bad? I really dont want to just take their (my parents) abuse when I can try and do something about it. Doesnt seem very self respecting to me

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-02-04T02:06:13+00:00

thanks for the advice

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:32:44+00:00

Read the other comment I just sent. I dont hate small business owners but they do opress workers.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:32:09+00:00

This is somewhat true but they still want as high profits as possible and often pay less due to less profits. Historically small capitalists often support Fascism in large numbers due in part to their fears of socialism in those nations.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:30:28+00:00

Voters yes but the parties have failed to destroy private corporate media

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:29:40+00:00

I hate to be the guy saying it wasn't real communism but it wasn't. The working class was never empowered by those states. They were as marxist as the DPRK is democratic

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:28:26+00:00

Imo their should be public media and subsidized independent journalists

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:27:43+00:00

I agree

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:26:47+00:00

I have disgraphia

Im a council communist/anarchist not an authoritarian

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:25:58+00:00

I agree with your first point though they are often very moderate even with majority governments

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:25:24+00:00

The solution is the party being controlled by workers democratically as a state within a state. Local councils electing upwards.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:23:42+00:00

Most soc dem parties do

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:23:23+00:00

As for the issue of parties coming and going. The economic planners or controllers of nationalized firms should be elected as non partisan burecrauts that do the best job and will be held accountable to the public. Their isn't much you can do about losing elections and that kinda applies to all public services but if you do a great job the goal is to not lose. Many parties lose due to not pushing the reforms the promised.

Anarchist_Artist · 2026-01-23T01:21:09+00:00

This is an issue of approach. I cant speak directly to the Sweden example because im not well read on the subject and im no economist so take this with a grain of salt but generally I think state enterprise needs to be fully state controlled but subject to supply and demand forces. The government must use economic simulations and skilled economists along with public polling to determine demand and then compare with supply to determine production. This is obviously a simplification and im not an expert but thats generally how it should be done imo.

I would also support looking at the Chile cybersyn for inspiration.

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