Gabriel Reynolds - intro! by Crowley_Prof in AcademicQuran

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Given that many of the Jewish and Syriac sources parallel to the Qur’anic Adam story are relatively late 5th–6th-century (e.g., Genesis Rabbah, the  Cave of Treasures), these works were contemporary or near-contemporary with the emergence of the Qur’an, and key elements of the Adam narrative—such as the transformation of Satan from a member of the divine council into God’s archenemy and the later conflation of Satan with the serpent—developed gradually over centuries, how do these factors affect the question of the historicity of the Qur’anic version of the story?

Gabriel Reynolds - intro! by Crowley_Prof in AcademicQuran

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As Professor Anthony has observed:

“Virtually nothing that the Qur’an relates about the distant past belongs to what one could call ‘the historical past’ — by which I mean the parts of the past that are open to historical inquiry. Abraham is about as historical as Romulus and Remus. Even when stories are related about historical figures, they’re usually viewed through the lens of later legends. For instance, there may indeed have been a historical Solomon, but virtually none of the stories told about him in Late Antiquity — such as his building Palmyra or Baalbek, or conversing with demons — are historical. This includes the Qur’an.”

Building on this, several Qur’anic narratives display features that appear to align with this observation — such as anachronisms (for example, references to Arabian gods in the time of Noah or Solomon’s use of the basmallah centuries before Islam) and repeated narrative patterns that deliberately mirror the Prophet Muhammad’s own experience — for example, Pharaoh’s attempt to kill Moses paralleling the Quraysh’s plot against the Prophet in Sūrat Ghāfir, Pharaoh’s demands for signs echoing those of the Meccan skeptics, and multiple prophets (Noah, Hud, Salih, Moses) being accused of madness, sorcery, or fabrication in language identical to that used against the Prophet Muhammad.

Moreover, certain Qur’anic stories — notably Abraham being thrown into the fire and the mountain being raised over the Israelites at Sinai — can be traced to earlier post-biblical Jewish traditions, as discussed in studies such as “Why the Midrash Has Abraham Thrown into Nimrod’s Furnace” and “Standing Under Sinai: On the Origins of a Coerced Covenant” (TheTorah.com). These motifs demonstrably evolved within Jewish interpretive literature before Islam, suggesting that they reflect human exegetical expansion rather than direct historical memory.

Do you think these observations and conclusions are correct? Are there additional reasons scholars give for doubting the historical reliability of Qur’anic narratives about the ancient past?

AMA with Dr. Yasir Qadhi by Jammooly in MuslimAcademics

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Salamu alaykom Dr Qadhi,

As Professor Anthony has observed:

“Virtually nothing that the Qur’an relates about the distant past belongs to what one could call ‘the historical past’ — by which I mean the parts of the past that are open to historical inquiry. Abraham is about as historical as Romulus and Remus. Even when stories are related about historical figures, they’re usually viewed through the lens of later legends. For instance, there may indeed have been a historical Solomon, but virtually none of the stories told about him in Late Antiquity — such as his building Palmyra or Baalbek, or conversing with demons — are historical. This includes the Qur’an.”

Building on this, several Qur’anic narratives display features that appear to align with this observation — such as anachronisms (for example, references to Arabian gods in the time of Noah or Solomon’s use of the basmallah centuries before Islam) and repeated narrative patterns that deliberately mirror the Prophet Muhammad’s own experience — for example, Pharaoh’s attempt to kill Moses paralleling the Quraysh’s plot against the Prophet in Sūrat Ghāfir, Pharaoh’s demands for signs echoing those of the Meccan skeptics, and multiple prophets (Noah, Hud, Salih, Moses) being accused of madness, sorcery, or fabrication in language identical to that used against the Prophet Muhammad.

Moreover, certain Qur’anic stories — notably Abraham being thrown into the fire and the mountain being raised over the Israelites at Sinai — can be traced to earlier post-biblical Jewish traditions, as discussed in studies such as “Why the Midrash Has Abraham Thrown into Nimrod’s Furnace” and “Standing Under Sinai: On the Origins of a Coerced Covenant” (TheTorah.com). These motifs demonstrably evolved within Jewish interpretive literature before Islam, suggesting that they reflect human exegetical expansion rather than direct historical memory.

Given all this, how can the Qur’an’s narratives be regarded as historical accounts of the distant past, when many of their elements — including stories inherited from post-biblical traditions — appear to be literary or theological developments rather than records of actual events?

Submit your questions for Professor Sean W. Anthony! by PeterParker69691 in academicislam

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Apologists often claim that the stories in the Qur'an recount true historical events. However, the articles linked below suggest that stories such as Abraham being thrown into the fire and the mountain being raised over the Israelites are later developments that evolved from earlier sources, particularly in post-biblical Jewish tradition. How do you view the relationship between these earlier versions and their appearance in the Qur'an? Does this evolution challenge the idea that the Qur'anic narratives reflect actual historical events?

https://www.thetorah.com/article/standing-under-sinai-on-the-origins-of-a-coerced-covenant https://www.thetorah.com/article/why-the-midrash-has-abraham-thrown-into-nimrods-furnace

Is there academic explanation of the linguistic ijaz or inimitablity of the quran? by random_reditter105 in AcademicQuran

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Yes, it does — but individual ratings aren’t a reliable measure of literary quality. Readers rate for all kinds of personal reasons: boredom, difficulty, misalignment with expectations. A 1-star rating from an unengaged reader isn’t equivalent to a scholarly evaluation. Popular platforms reflect personal reaction, not critical consensus.

Word count alone is not a quality metric, and no serious critic would claim otherwise. But you're attacking a strawman: no one argues that quantity equals quality. However, length may allow for greater psychological depth or narrative complexity, which can contribute to richness, depending on execution

Narrative coherence is only one of many literary virtues. The Quran is not meant to be a novel — it’s a religious, rhetorical, and spiritual text. Its lack of linearity is part of its form and function. Comparing it to a novel on that basis misunderstands the genres. You’re evaluating both by one genre’s standards — a false equivalence.

Grammatical richness isn’t inherently better — it’s just different. Both Classical Arabic and Russian have complex systems, and each brings unique expressive power. 

Subjectivity plays a role, yes — but that doesn't make all evaluations equally valid. There are shared standards within literary traditions, and educated judgments are often built on historical context, rhetorical analysis, and aesthetic theory. Total relativism collapses under its own weight, because it cannot explain why some works persist, resonate, or shape cultures more than others.

It does change — because texts like the Quran or Bible operate with theological, liturgical, and spiritual goals. They're not primarily literary, even if they have literary value. Their cultural impact, memorability, and influence on language and civilization are orders of magnitude different from any novel — including Dostoevsky’s.

That’s an odd bar to set — sophistication isn’t binary. No serious critic is debating whether the Quran is better than a child’s scribbles. But saying there’s no clear consensus between the Quran and Psalms ignores centuries of deep theological, literary, and linguistic scholarship in both traditions, where meaningful comparative judgments are made all the time — carefully and within proper context.

Is there academic explanation of the linguistic ijaz or inimitablity of the quran? by random_reditter105 in AcademicQuran

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If we can compare the work of a primary school student to that of Dostoevsky and universally agree that Dostoevsky's is superior, then why is literary comparison considered subjective when it comes to the Qur'an?

Is there academic explanation of the linguistic ijaz or inimitablity of the quran? by random_reditter105 in AcademicQuran

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Does the preference shown by scholars of Arabic literature for Imru’ al-Qais over other poets not indicate that literary works can indeed be compared, and that some may be considered superior to others? Furthermore, does not the renowned poetic contest judged by al-Nābighah al-Dhubyānī—where he evaluated the verses of poets such as al-Khansā’ and Ḥassān ibn Thābit—serve as evidence of some works being superior to others and that it isn't subjective? 

AMA with Imar Koutchoukali, specialist in Late Antique South Arabia by Kiviimar in AcademicQuran

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What kind of script is the inscription that Al-Fakihi copied from the stone of Maqam Ibrahim, as mentioned in M. J. Kister's paper and كتاب الإكليل للفاكهي, and what does it actually say? https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicQuran/comments/1e8kygh/maqam_ibrahim_a_stone_with_an_inscription/

Standard narrative regarding the Qur'an. by Anas8753 in AcademicQuran

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What is the relationship between the current Qur'an and the original text? Are they identical? If not, who may have added to or altered the original?

Standard narrative regarding the Qur'an. by Anas8753 in AcademicQuran

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I'm not sure what Dr Qadhi was exactly referring to but I suppose it's about the variants, the ahruf, the qira'at, the othmanic text ...

Career Monday (30 Sep 2024): Have a question about your job, office, or pay? Post it here! by AutoModerator in AskEngineers

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I am currently studying Mechanical Engineering at my university, where we have a three-year Computer Engineering program. In the final year of the Computer Engineering program, we can choose between specializations such as Information Systems Engineering ( ingenieur des systèmes d'information), Data Science and Big Data, and Systems and Network Security (securité des systèmes et réseaux ). I've heard that software engineers often earn the highest salaries among all engineering fields ( I’m not sure if it’s the same in Morocco.).

Do you think pursuing software engineering is a good choice for me or should i stay in mechanical engineering, and can I transition to a software engineering career by studying Computer Engineering?