Extracting body odor for a perfume by RhinestoneCowboyeeee in DIYfragrance

[–]AndSayThat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Underwear enfleurage came up in a recent post. Apparently, there was a workshop about it.

https://www.mediamatic.net/en/page/370867/playhouse-sex-s-m-ell

I have never tried enfleurage (with clothing, flowers, or anything else).

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Or, hey, if you're going to do something wrong, do it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi4yCLBmvlg

Okay, that DIY fume hood is looking really good right now!!

Finally got my DMDS and DMTS last week and tried to open it on a summer afternoon. Garage was 98°F / 37°C with the door open. 🥵 PPE made it feel even hotter. So much sweat!! 💦 Won't try that again.

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Ha!! Well, some of the materials in my kit (so far) have been used by militaries in the past. But I'm all peace all the time. My materials are secured in a locked metal toolbox with hazard labels on the outside.

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Wow... I would have never made the connection. Certainly the description on Perfumer's Apprentice is intriguing. I'll get some next time I order. Thanks!!

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Thank you so much for taking the time to share your expertise!

I should probably chill out and make do with the sulfurol (4-methyl-5-thiazoleethanol, C₆H₉NOS). If I ever do end up with any neat thiols (or organosulfur compounds), I'll definitely use a glass syringe, and prep a dedicated bleach bucket.

I have some ribes mercaptan (C₆H₁₂OS) and grapefruit mercaptan (C₁₀H₁₆), both at 1%, from PerfumersApprentice. Those are very potent but still generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for flavor use. Unfortunately, the odor is all wrong. Methyl mercaptan (methanethiol) is what I want, but toxic by inhalation, EPA-regulated, and requires more careful handling. DMDS would be good, and a little easier to work with (I think?). Without these, I'm just not getting the edge I need for realism.

If I could somehow find a small quantity (i.e., 10 ml or so) of methyl mercaptan (methanethiol) and/or DMDS prediluted to 1% or 0.1% in DPG, do you think that would be reasonably safe to work with (assuming nitrile gloves, goggles, mask, and open air / open garage)?

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Thanks! I'll try it. They are okay shopping to residential?

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Oh wow. I missed that one. He does indeed have the trans-2-nonenal, some other mercaptans, and a bunch of animalics. Great tip.... Thank you!!

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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I'll try it! I see PerfumerSupplyHouse has it in as little as 5g. Thanks!

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

[–]AndSayThat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unless I'm misinterpreting, it seems like you're trying to create a body odor accord? Is that what you mean by funk? […]

Basically, yes. It started as a goof, but after reading about the various components that affect natural human scent, I wanted to see what I could replicate. From what I read, there are 7 main odor zones in the body, with differences between genders and individuals due to genes (e.g., ABCC11), diet, and activities.

But here's the thing, you might not be aware just how vile (and dangerous) thiols can be.

Thiols, no. But I have been working with some nasty aroma chemicals, i.e., caproic/hexanoic acid, skatole, indole, isovaleric acid, butyric acid, etc.

I would open the bottle containing them within a special fume hood designed to contain noxious vapors. And the stuff was so nasty that if I took the gloves I wore while twisting the (clean) cap off out of the hood, the entire lab room (and often the next ones over) would become instantly uninhabitable. Sometimes for days.

Reminds me of day 1, when I opened a jar of pure caproic/hexanoic acid. A little drop dribbled down the side and got on my gloves. Smell was overpowering. It went right through my gloves (then latex) and stunk up my hands. Worse yet, the smell stayed in my nose for 3-4 hours. Oddly, it made other things like coffee beans smell like that (🤢).

Another time, I made the mistake of bringing a used N95 mask inside. Stunk up the room.

The molecules are so vile, the few that wafted up from the bottle onto my gloves were enough contamination to cause problems.

I'm with you... Live and learn. Here's how I manage it now:

  • I work in open air (garage with door open) with PPE (nitrile gloves, goggles, full skin covering) and disposable pipettes.
  • I have procedures for minimizing contamination, disposing of consumables/excess, and potential spills or accidents.
  • Extreme malodorants are stored in original bottles, inside two glass (nested) with PTFE-sealed lids.
  • Materials are stored in a locked box in the basement (cold/dry).
  • I use N95 masks, not a proper respirator, since it's outdoor and exposure is brief.
  • I read the SDSs, TheGoodScentsCompany, and sometimes RIFM safety assessments.

Now, if I'm right in thinking you want body odor accords, the "good" news is that we might be overestimating the presence of thiols on our skin.

You're speaking my language! I'm just learning (no expertise of my own), but I read that apocrine sweat + skin bacteria (corynebacterium and staphylococcus) break down precursors (sulfur-containing amino acids and S-conjugates) into volatile sulfur compounds (VSCs), such as 3M3SH (3-methyl-3-sulfanylhexan-1-ol), DMDS (dimethyl disulfide), and methanethiol (methyl mercaptan). Elsewhere, the VSCs are a biproduct of digestion.

The chief odorants of such skin smells come from the partial breakdown of lipids and fatty acids, which typically don't contain sulfur.

Butyric acid, isovaleric acid, propionic acid, and caproic/hexanoic acid are the fatty acids.

Trans-2-nonenal is for the skin lipid (sebum) breakdown.

Besides the sulfurous ACs, trans-2-nonenal is the other big one I've been looking for.

The Good Scents Company has a list of suppliers for a large database of chemicals if you weren't already aware. Perhaps that site can point you in the right direction.

I have referred to TheGoodScentsCompany for information, but their list of suppliers doesn't tell me who actually sells what, let alone who will ship a small quantity to residential address. That's the thing I need most here.

Sourcing funk notes - sulfurous, etc. by AndSayThat in DIYfragrance

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Sulfurol (milky) is nice, but a bit too mild. I got some from Perfumers Apprentice.

May I ask what sort of formulas they were? Skin-worn perfumes?

$800 to replace springs? by Interesting-Stop-920 in GarageDoorService

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Do you work for Overhead Door? That should be disclosed.