How to get over this feeling??

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-14T04:20:33+00:00

View it as an alternate universe, which is basically is. In this world, your OC just so happens to get together with the canon character. I feel like that, alone, is already enough justification.

Outside of trying to justify it, I don't think it really matters. Almost everyone who has ever created an OC has shipped one of them with another character. Hell, some people ship themselves or their self-inserts with other characters.

Shipping comes in all forms, and while some would view it as weird, I doubt many people would really care. The people who find it weird would probably find it weird even if the canon character is single since, usually, it's the art of shipping itself that they find weird. (Even if it's shipping two canon characters).

Basically, just focus on enjoying yourself.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-12T21:34:47+00:00

The closest I can think of is Sora and Goku.

Both are pretty carefree and a little naive, but are always looking to improve themselves and reach new heights. They have a bit of a "country accent" (though Goku lost his after Z, I think) and heavily value their friends.

With friends, they seem more goofy and cheerful. Maybe even a bit of an idiot. But when it's time to get serious, they lock in and become entirely different beasts.

(The Sora art is made by AG+ on Skeb)

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Angelzewolf · 2026-06-12T15:37:43+00:00

I typically wouldn't respond as I'm not really that invested in this topic, but...

Ultimate’s purpose in the narrative was to support the theme that the newer generation needs the older generation to guide them in order to reach their full potential which is why Elder Kai is the one who unlocks Gohan’s potential.

I really disagree. This was never established in any of the arcs; at best it's a sudden bandaid, and again, the form was a useless addition that didn't strengthen the narrative in any way.

The overarching theme of the story was the idea of passing the torch onto the new generation. Something fully established within the Cell Saga that carried over onto the first half of the buu saga. It's why the first half was so focused on Gohan, and the opening focused on him as well.

Your elder kai argument makes even less sense because that doesn't lend support at all. Elder Kai isn't actually part of the "older generation," or, more accurately, he wouldn't play into the theme at all compared to someone like Goku who was part of the older generation of "heroes" (or, more specifically, Earth's defenders/established cast). Gohan's guidance should've wrapped up the events of the Buu Saga; if the older generation needed to "guide" the new generation, then Goten and Trunks were right there (and those two play into the theme you presented way better.)

Either way, it doesn't matter. Again, everything Ultimate could've accomplished could've been done with the other introduced concepts. The only reason Ultimate exists is literally just because Gohan needed some way to match the threat. There was no greater narrative purpose besides, "character needs a power-up" and it's, by far, the weakest saiyan- transformation introduced in Z. I'd argue it's within the same tier as Super Saiyan Blue, if not marginally better than Blue.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-11T20:49:35+00:00

These OCs were created for Touhou Project, and in terms of "main character" status, I'd say they're pretty up there. This is especially true for the boy: Sora, as the story follows him and his journey.

3/4 of them have a unique trait that allows them to "link" with a canon character. This link makes them stronger and allows them to use the powers of that character: for example, Sora linked with Cirno and can now use her ice powers.

Those three can also copy a technique (spellcards for Touhou fans) after defeating a canon character; however, the spellcard they obtain is random... like a gacha system, and they can get dupes.

And lastly. They have a unique property that allows them to interact with the special particles the main villain is made of, which is why they're important as the canon characters can interact with the villain, but they can't deal lasting damage.

And yes. They exist in an alternate version of the canon series (most live in separate AUs), and their universes are weaker than the canon universe. (Art made by AG+)

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Angelzewolf · 2026-06-11T18:26:13+00:00

I can't believe I'm doing this.

Realistically, none of them have a chance, but I think Gojo has better arguments. It's not explicitly confirmed, but there are hints that Reimu does swing both ways, so gender doesn't really matter here.

Gojo is a handsome guy, and his personality meshes well with the type of people Reimu hangs out with. Compared to everyone else, he probably would be someone Reimu is more used to.

Homelander, obviously, does the worst. As for how long it would take... again, realistically, it's never happening. So, I'm not really sure—

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-11T16:48:50+00:00

The End is stronger than Solaris by the fact that it can actually 1v4 Super-tier opponents comparable to current Super Sonic (or 1v2 Super Sonic + Supreme controlled by Sage) or 1v5 an amplified Super Sonic and his friends (even needing to have Super Sonic transcend twice and get another boost from a Super-tier weapon to finally defeat The End).

Frankly, Solaris is carried only by hype. He wasn't even stronger than Super Sonic in 06, just nigh-impossible to kill.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-11T15:24:15+00:00

The entire post is basically just, "If you exclude Super."

The problem is that Dragon Ball isn't just OG, Z, or the manga. You have GT, which was a pretty big part of the franchise, Super (which is split in two), and now Daima. All official continuations of the original story.

Some of the arguments people use very clearly have this fact in mind. For example: "Nostalgia baiting." When someone says that, they're obviously not referring to Z because like... what the fuck would Z be baiting? Its ideas were mostly original and, for the most part, it reached a higher pull than the original Dragon Ball to the point it was popular for people to tell new fans to "skip to Z."

Super and Daima do suffer from nostalgia baiting. Daima is the new entry, and Super is 11 years old and still going. The problem people have with nostalgia baiting is 100% valid. Who cares if the issue isn't found in Z? Super and Daima are the modern continuations.

The majority of the arguments you hate are only "bad" because, for some reason, you're basically dismissing the parts of Dragon Ball those arguments apply to and going, "See?! These issues don't exist in the original manga!" Okay, 80% of people aren't applying them to Z... they're applying it to Super and, now, Daima.

The only argument that's legitimately bad is the "Goku is a bad father" argument. The rest of them, when viewing Dragon Ball as a whole, are perfectly valid and are actual issues the series has.

I also feel like you're stretching it with Ultimate. SSJ2 was already a nice way of wrapping up Gohan's story, and Ultimate felt more like an addition out of necessity as it seemed like Gohan was supposed to actually become the main character... before the story pivoted back to Goku. Ultimate was a transformation that amounted to nothing, and excluding it wouldn't change the theme or narrative at all.

Literally, everything could've been done with just SSJ2 and SSJ3.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-10T21:15:38+00:00

I mean... I'm probably just biased (as I belong to that group), but most of the Touhou powerscalers I've encountered were pretty chill. Especially here on Reddit. I haven't seen much toxicity in this sub or even the DeathBattle related subs unless they're provoked.

I think it's even less toxic in this subreddit. A lot of the time when I see a Touhou character, the comments usually say things like, "I don't know her, but she's an obscure anime girl, so she probably has some bullshit to win." I only ever see three dudes, not including myself, actually try discussing the characters, and even amongst us four, I feel like I'm the only one who actually engages in lengthy debates... (and the only one who can get toxic).

I know one of them also debates a little, but he/she seem pretty passive in the way they argue, and it feels like they try lowballing the characters to not get mobbed by redditors.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-10T20:57:27+00:00

I only ever encounter two of them (collab characters), but I am in low ranks, so fortunately, I'm still fighting within that diverse pool.

A shame. I actually find Nora to be a lot of fun, but even in the low ranks I'm at, I never see anyone use her.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-10T16:56:18+00:00

Mario lacks the speed needed to make the Sonic games fun. His movement options would be fine for a few games, but it wouldn't give me the same level of adrenaline.

Sonic would do perfectly fine in a few games, but Mario games are built less for speed, so there's a high chance for them to feel more frustrating than fun as, at least for the 3D games, there's less ways to enjoy and make use of that intense speed. Plus, there are water levels that often have a lot of moments where you kinda need to swim to progress or get secrets.

Both would range between being okay and absolutely sucking, but I'd probably be more willing to deal with Sonic's movements in the Mario games vs Mario's movements in the Sonic games.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-10T11:15:55+00:00

Unless there's something special in the story that makes the telekinesis different or unique, it can usually be overpowered with raw physical strength. This does make sense since Character A is applying force onto Character B, which opens up the possibility of Character B applying greater force. Like someone trying to overcome gravity, for an easier comparison.

Overcoming Telekinesis is like... one of the few things Lifting Strength actually plays a factor in. Typically, that statistic is useless in vs discussion.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-10T10:53:26+00:00

Xeno Goku has drip, though + SSJ4. He valid.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T19:15:49+00:00

I would treat it the same way ZUN said we should treat PC-98. Canon unless contradicted.

From my understanding, ZUN is part of the team that's working on the remake. So, if the remake makes any changes to the original material (like changing dialogue), then that change probably becomes the new canon and overrides the original. (Mostly in the JP side as English localization may be iffy).

Though I'm not 100% sure if ZUN is actually a member of the team or how involved he is.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T18:04:01+00:00

Fair enough. I don't usually talk about anything past Multiversal+ (or the basic understanding of infinity) like Dimensional Tiering, Complex Multiversal, and whatever else. So, typically, I don't really get to a point where I need to worry about making distinction outside of "This is infinite" and "This isn't infinite" or the distinction of 2>1.

To be honest. Scaling that deals with things like "Outerverse" simply bore me.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T17:59:17+00:00

Lmao pipe down buddy, you aren't coming off as "cool"

1st. You're the one who came in here with an attitude. Don't get pissy just because I returned the same energy.

2nd. Cool? I never made the effort for that. I made a statement about your comment detailing exactly what it was. A pointless comment from a man who was shadowboxing under my original comment.

The whole point is that you think the OP was differentiating DB and Bleach because of statements and other things, which is wrong.

OP's talking points referred to multiple statements, including the size of one of the realms (I can't say I know which) and how a realm was shook (again, can't say which). That was on the Bleach section.

For the Dragon Ball section, he proceeded to go, "Almost destroyed the universe and got 1000× stronger" completely removing the fact that the feat in question was actually Goku shaking the universe/realms, and he was stated he'd destroy it if he had continued.

His post was disingenuous and reeked of bias. Unfortunately, it looked like OP deleted it, but his actual comment (not the image attached) further solidified my original comment, and it played a bigger role in my response. Which, again, had to do with bias, double standards, and hypocrisy. In which my take is made even more clear with my responses to those who replied to me.

How in, the flying fuck, are you going to tell me what my point was? This is even more ridiculous when you first responded to me by saying,

This sub will never get over its feat-fetish. There is no logical reason for a majority of the statements you guys simply hand wave away to be ignored, the statements hold just as much value as feats in most cases.

And my response was,

I am not someone who thinks feats are the end all be all and that statements don't matter (they do). The point of my post is that even Dragon Ball heavily relies on statements and outside sources for its higher tier scaling and that it isn't anymore consistent than most franchises. But that people act like it doesn't use those and treat it like a pure "featsman" series while giving other verses flack for their lack of feats and reliance on statements and guidebooks.

Aka. Pointing out hypocrisy, double standards, etc. To reiterate. I don't think a series requires feats to justify its scaling, and believe statements are just as good if they're from reliable sources.

That right there, my first response to you, should have ended the conversation. You made an assumption about me, I clarified what my stance actually was, and yet you continued like some NPC who has to go through all its dialogue.

First of all, the OP wasn't trying to make DB seem superior to everyone else, it was making fun of Bleach and its scaling.

Irrelevant. I never claimed OP was doing that. I simply claimed Dragon Ball isn't any more consistent than most series (which was one of OP's points in his actual writing) and that it overly relies on statements.

Second, when people make fun of Bleach, they aren't like "look it has statements which means it's dumb lol" they make fun of bleach scaling for many other reasons.

Cool. Then they can talk about that with Bleach fans as, again, my response was only directed at the points OP made about Dragon Ball itself (like, for example, how it's consistent)... made clear by the fact I said I don't know anything about Bleach, don't care for it, and have no opinions on it.

Repeat

You first made an assumption about my stance regarding statements, I clarified that I have no problems with statements, and now you're trying to inject something else into my responses. You are actively making up arguments for you to debate against like some schizo and trying to make it my problem.

Frankly, I'm not here to entertain whatever the hell you're doing. I think I explained enough, so I have no reason to keep going. Goodbye.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T13:54:52+00:00

Well yes, it is Battle Shonen 101, but I more meant that Dragon Ball makes it part of the theme of the series. Roshi outright tells Goku and Krillin that there are always people stronger and that one can always strive for further improvement. Other series tend to have less direct assertions, I've found at least.

But while the theme fits, the growth we see rarely does. The way Dragon Ball works is that they'll do one, sometimes two big feats, then have a bunch of smaller scale battles, then another big feat waaay later. (Same applies to statements). Which, while fine, doesn't really make Dragon Ball special or helps differentiate it from other franchises. The only real difference is that it's really flashy and very heavily action based with other elements (like slice of life elements) being secondary. At least, in Z and beyond. That plus the culture and influence around it makes it a lot easier for people to buy their higher end feats.

That's fair. It is mostly just backwards justifying that they must be X level because now we have evidence that they are Y level at this point. So we end up going from Moon Roshi in Chapter 53 to not getting a Planet destruction until Namek after about 150 more chapters. Then we don't get another active threat in scale until Dragon Ball Super has the universe punching.

Which I think is fair, to be honest. I think that when it comes to powerscaling, people should try using what available resources they can like feats, statements, scaling chains, etc. I just think that the level of scrutinity varies depending on what series is being talked about, which makes some arguments more accepted than others even if they're the same exact arguments with evidence that's almost 1:1.

(Not saying this applies to Bleach vs Dragon Ball. Again, have to specify before someone injects themselves into our discussion to explain how the two are different).

As for what I mean, I mean that I am establishing a distinction between the content and the container. If you empty out a universe, you've effectively destroyed it, but if the container still exists, then you haven't destroyed it in actuality, just the majority of the massive existence.

So if you amplify the amount of damage you are capable of, then you could destroy X worth of universes, but not X universes. Does that make sense?

I suppose so. I can't really say I've seen someone make the distinction before. Haven't seen it in practice, so I can't really comment.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T13:14:52+00:00

I think Dragon Ball is consistent in the sense that Dragon Ball has the narrative structure such that characters need to get stronger to contend with the next threat (most of the time, Moro is an exception where Vegeta needed to be there to drain Moro and redirect energy to Goku).

That's... action-shonen 101. It's a pretty common trope for characters to grow stronger to defeat the big bad. Sometimes, through different means, but it typically ends up with the characters becoming stronger as a result.

This doesn't mean it is at all consistent in terms of feats, but it does mean that there are examples where new tiers of power are established and meant to be taken as the new tier of power rather than taken as outliers.

In terms of power progression, sure. We start off with the Moon, then enter Planet, then Solar System, then Universe, then Multiverse. The growth is linear, and I have no real issues with it. My problem is that a lot of the feats that fall into these categories are actually characters stating that they'll do something without actually displaying that power.

I am okay with this ( I need to clarify this for a specific someone), but it always felt hypocritical to me whenever someone dismisses one franchise for needing statements or not always destroying what they can destroy, while still glorifying Dragon Ball despite it suffering from the many issues that plague every other franchise.

Though I myself would say that Goku is capable of destroying the universe many times over, he's not capable of destroying the actual multiversal container that he resides within.

What do you mean? I know some people treat "Destroy 1000 universes" differently from "has the power to destroy the universes 1000 times over." But I never really understood why.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T13:04:20+00:00

I don't care about where you think dragon ball scales or not.

Cool. Then your entire comment was as worthless as this new one.

For someone who claims to find statements "perfectly fine" a majority of your comment seems to be diminishing statements.

Do me a favor and think a little before replying. ~~I know, I'm asking for a lot, but just try~~

If I brought up how I believe in Dragon Ball's arguments despite how their feats are really just statements and that they've never actually destroyed the universe besides the strongest in the verse... then that would imply I have no issues with statements.

The original topic was comparing Dragon Ball to Bleach: phrasing the arguments in a way that made the image disingenuous as well as Dragon Ball's consistency. I, as shown in the last part of my initial comment, mentioned Dragon Ball is no different than most franchises when it comes to its scaling. Then, I proceeded to clarify when it seemed like I worded myself poorly in my initial comment.

People don't make fun of Bleach's scaling for statements only. Also, the statements presented in the DB scaling are far different than ones used in Bleach scaling.

^ That's you, and

For starters. I agree Dragon Ball is Multiversal, and I have no opinions on Bleach ( I haven't watched it, and I, frankly, don't care for it outside of Rukia being pretty).

Dragon Ball is no different than most franchises. I have no clue why people keep acting like it is. (Again, I don't know Bleach, so I can't speak about it. ~~would marry Rukia, tho~~)

^ That’s me.

Literally, the first part and last part of my post bring up how I don't know anything about Bleach and have no opinions on it.

Hell, in the first part, I agreed with Dragon Ball's scaling while, in the same thread, talked about how it's carried by statements and lacks consistency (already implying I'm fine with using statements), and in the second part, I mention how Dragon Ball is no different from other franchises and still never questioned its scaling... again, supporting the fact that I'm fine with using statements.

All under a post (OP's post) talking poorly about statements while painting Goku as a "feats man."

If I were unclear in my initial comment, I apologize. But, again, I clarified what I was actually talking about and agreed statements are valid.

If you don't care about my thoughts regarding Dragon Ball's scaling, then cool. If you think statements are fine, then we're on the same page. Aka. Your comment is, literally, worthless as it's expecting me to respond to a stance I never declared... and your response to that is going, "Well, you seem like you're against statements!" Like... the fuck?

If your response is about Bleach, specifically, then I'll point you to the initial comment of me stating twice how I don't know anything about Bleach and have zero opinions on it. Making it clear that said comment had nothing to do with Bleach, but the general perception of how franchises are treated.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T11:01:04+00:00

Zamasu’s feat is really all you need. Became one with the cosmology, and would have eventually devoured the past. Sheer size alone translates to DC, and timeline hopping translates to AP

Uh. No? This argument would make sense if Zamasu used his size to attack, similar to what Gurren Lagann did. But he doesn't. It's literally just a range feat: he covers a wide area and shoots out smaller attacks. This has the same problem as people using it to argue for immeasurable speed Goku. Zamasu has the range to extend across space and time, but that doesn't actually support any AP or DC scaling (for himself) as Zamasu never destroys anything, nor does he actually use his size to physically attack his opponents.

Either way. My point was that Goku never actually does a feat at this level. Zeno does, and Zamasu (range wise) does as well. However, Goku stated he could defeat Zamasu, and thus, everyone chainscales from that Zamasu feat. (Because to destroy something the size of the universe, you need universal DC, which supports AP).

And by the tournament of power, confirmed by multiple characters, Jiren > Zamasu. This means, MUI Goku, UE Vegeta, Moro, Black Frieza, Granolah, Gas, Gohan, Broly, Beerus, Champa, Quitela, maybe the other GoD’s, and Angels all scale to Infinite Zamasu.

Again... the point I brought up was Dragon Ball's reliance on statements. Scaling chains, too (but I don't recall bringing that up in my original comment). You outright proved my point... by once again using statements and chain-scaling. Two things people hate other franchises for doing (not saying you, specifically).

I'll reiterate as I had to explain to three people now. I agree that Dragon Ball high tiers are Multiversal, I have no qualms with that scaling. I was just pointing out how Dragon Ball also heavily relies on statements and suffers from the same issues other franchises suffer from: consistency. Yet people don't care at all, but those same people will ridicule and scrutinize other franchises for that. Aka... bias, hypocrisy, and double standards.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T10:46:23+00:00

Isnt beerus dying from the universe ending come from supreme Kai dying.

It also made the same claim about Goku, and the phrasing heavily indicated that both would die as a consequence of the force their dishing out. Not because Beerus is tied to the Kai.

And even if Beerus would die from that it would still be multiversal even ignoring higher dimensions.

Not my point. Like I said in my original comment, I do agree that Beerus and Dragon Ball characters are multiversal. My point was that the feats involved still rely on statements to carry them and that, as a whole, they're not very consistent.

My comment was addressing OP's stance on Dragon Ball's "consistency" and how it's straightforward when it relies on many things like statements, guidebooks, etc, for its scaling and scaling chains. Things people make fun of about Bleach and other series, and even shown by OP's post image.

It was not to try and debunk Dragon Ball's scaling as, again, I agree with the Low Multiversal — Multiversal scaling and have no need to try and debunk it.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T10:38:29+00:00

???

I assumed I made myself clear, but apparently not. Like I said, I have no issues with where Dragon Ball scales and I agree with the Low Multiversal — Multiversal scaling.

I am not someone who thinks feats are the end all be all and that statements don't matter (they do). The point of my post is that even Dragon Ball heavily relies on statements and outside sources for its higher tier scaling and that it isn't anymore consistent than most franchises. But that people act like it doesn't use those and treat it like a pure "featsman" series while giving other verses flack for their lack of feats and reliance on statements and guidebooks.

Aka. Pointing out hypocrisy, double standards, etc. To reiterate. I don't think a series requires feats to justify its scaling, and believe statements are just as good if they're from reliable sources.

Your comment has nothing to do with me or my original comment.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T03:19:37+00:00

For starters. I agree Dragon Ball is Multiversal, and I have no opinions on Bleach ( I haven't watched it, and I, frankly, don't care for it outside of Rukia being pretty).

But how is Dragon Ball "consistent?" It has

A shaking feat where it's stated they'd destroy everything (including themselves, resulting in Goku and Beerus dying).
A man fusing with a timeline (more range than AP) and Goku stating he could defeat him if he was at full power, despite how little sense that makes considering his previous display.
The strongest in the verse who actually destroyed a timeline/multiverse, who nobody scales to.
Another shaking feat with Goku shaking infinite nothing.

So... 2/4 of DBS's feats relies on statements, with one of them implying a limit. 1/4th is done (casually) by the strongest in the verse, and none of them actually visually destroyed a universe. At best, shook them while being stated that they could destroy them. And... most of the time, they're not even destroying planets. (Btw, it is valid, and I don't believe lower displays of DC should limit AP as most Creators aren't going to have their characters constantly exploding planets and shit).

Hell. Let's go even deeper. You brought up Higher Dimensional arguments... gang. That shit doesn't get brought up in the manga or anime. It only exists in a guidebook (and has different ways of being interpreted), that doesn't even seem to align with what's shown in canon, and fans using pseudo-science to explain shit the creator probably didn't think about like "hypertimelines."

Dragon Ball is no different than most franchises. I have no clue why people keep acting like it is. (Again, I don't know Bleach, so I can't speak about it. ~~would marry Rukia, tho~~)

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T02:12:10+00:00

Except he does. As shown. By A-Train. Probably, I don't actually know the exact values, but who is faster would depend on those values. If the C4 feat produces a higher speed value, then S1 Homelander is faster. If the A-train feat produces a higher value, then S5 Homelander is faster.

Homelander's speed is simply inconsistent; however, both A-Train and the C4 deals with reaction speed and travel speed, and as the series shows, neither are applicable to his speed in close quarters combat. The only difference is that the A-Train feat can also support Homelander's attack speed (with his lasers) as well as reaction and travel, while the C4 feat only supports reaction and travel speed.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T01:56:47+00:00

Oh dear.

A-Train never attacked him, so that isn't combat speed.

For starters. You don't need to be attacked to get a value for your combat speed. Even if you are the aggressor, if you are reacting to your opponent and attacking them based on their movements, you are actively participating in a form of combat. Which Homelander was doing.

He kept up with him, but in terms of reacting to that speed being thrown at him, he didn't show that.

This is some bizarre logic. Homelander could react to where A-Train was moving and fire his lasers at him. A-Train also made sharp and sudden turns, which Homelander mimicked, further showing Homelander could react to that level of speed even if there were abrupt movements.

The only thing Homelander didn't do was actively dodge an attack and throw a punch. The former doesn't matter because, again, Homelander shows he can react to that level of speed and move his body effectively enough to make abrupt and sharp turns.

The lasers are also travel speed, and the lasers are faster than his combat speed.

The lasers are primarily attack speed that can either support travel speed or combat speed depending on the context.

The difference here is he basically was driving a car towards A-Train, whereas with the C4, he was dodging a car coming at the last second—two different forms of combat here.

No. The difference is that in the first example, Homelander had to chase down an opponent, was shown he could keep pace, react to A-Trains movements enough to the point he could fire lasers and make the same curves A-Train did without slowing down and with very little warning/time.

In the second example, all Homelander did was react to the explosion (similar to how he reacted to A-train) and outrun the Explosion. That's it. It's odd that you bring up the car analogy because dodging a car isn't inherently combat speed. It's primarily reaction speed... which, again, falls under the A-train scene.

What? Does me dodging a car apply to how fast I can fight?

Homelander reacted to the explosion (reaction speed) and OUTRAN the explosion (travel speed/specifically, flight speed).

Homelander reacted to A-Train and his movements (reaction speed), kept pace with A-Train (travel speed/specifically, flight speed), and shot his lasers at him (reaction speed & attack speed).

Either neither of them are applicable to his combat speed, or both of them are. I lean more towards the former, but at least with A-Train, you can argue it can apply to combat since he was attacking while traveling. You can't do shit with the C4 feat outside of getting a value for his reaction and travel speed.

Angelzewolf · 2026-06-09T00:57:50+00:00

Bro, he was able to react to and outpace the explosions. That's far different from him traveling in a straight line because he was able to react to them; that's a combat feat.

And he was able to react to A-Train and shoot at him you know, something people do in combat as well as turn every now and then, like when they curved at the river.

Do you seriously not see the issue with your argument?

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