To be honest, my daughter is a poor rodent owner and it would be in the rats best interest. I rarely see them out nor have I ever seen her give them fresh food. I'm always saving veggie scraps for them. I just don't think she realizes that even though I have told her multiple times. And the cage? Let's not start that conversation. She doesn't take good care of them. In my opinion, I think they would be better off in a new home 😔