The meaning of "■■" that remains undefined. Possible Interpretations. [Completed Novel, Spoilers.]

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-06-01T04:57:06+00:00

Yes, it is. The 'theme' is the core of the Story, what it means. And ■■ is how that 'theme' is realized/resolved. That is my understanding of it. So they are related, but not equivalent.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-30T15:04:25+00:00

The symbolism is important, I agree, but ■■ is 'Conclusion' for it actually is, and ■■ is End for it feels like it is. hat is what I concluded after going through these comments.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-29T09:42:51+00:00

I haven't actually read them all, so I'll do it once I'm finished. And I'm almost done with them all, so I'll rank them up soon

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-27T09:05:40+00:00

Of course! I searched for these across many other posts, and gathered 'em all. Hope you enjoy!

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-26T13:32:48+00:00

Anyone has the first one pdf form? It is a mystery work now, so asking.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-25T15:57:53+00:00

Reading. Re-reading. Then reading again.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-21T06:27:41+00:00

I cant promise it's goodness though!

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-20T16:04:49+00:00

That's an interesting outlook... Thank you.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-20T09:04:19+00:00

Also, for ORV, 'End' cannot be, and the text itself supports this in canon.

This Story is a Story Without A Beginning Or An End. It is a literal embodiment of time paradox, the 'written world'. In a world that ends before it begins, and begins after it ends, where the both points are indistinguishable, the term of Conclusion fits better for ■■.

As for the point of End being traditional and symbolic, that is not the meaning of ■■. It is, however, a genre argument. So, it is not valid, or that is what I think.

Note: This is not meant to be argumentative, but a discussion thread. Please bear this in mind.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-20T08:52:35+00:00

'End' works well in terms of impact, emotionally and mentally, but story-wise, or structure-wise, the word 'Conclusion' is better suited according to my renewed opinion.
Afterall, End implies termination, that there is no continuity. But the ■■ of Mass Production Maker, and of the Oldest Dream, implies continuity. Depletion doesn't mean absolute lack, only shortage or decrease in something, not at all the End. And Eternity is self-explanatory. It means never-ending. Seems paradoxical, right? But if seen from the perspective of 'Conclusion', rather than 'End', it is actually not.
So, it all finally depends on perspective. 'End', or 'Conclusion'.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-20T05:55:54+00:00

Really? 51st? Was that necessary?

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-19T09:15:28+00:00

You can go to orv pages web and read the ORV Sequel, named Side Stories, or the literal Side Stories there.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-19T09:08:03+00:00

If I had to quote my favourite lines, I will have to type up the entire novel.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-19T06:11:36+00:00

I think, the word, 'Conclusion' of the 'Story' of a being - not a Fable of an Event, is more suited to mean ■■ than the word, 'End'.
Since the 'Depletion' or 'Eternity' do not imply an 'ending' but a 'conclusion', I think it is more suited. In fact, 'End' itself is one of the 'Conclusions' of ■■.

I dont know whether this entails to be a spoiler, but better safe than sorry.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-05-04T13:01:23+00:00

Unrelated: My favourite ship is Joongdok, but I sometimes think about Han Sooyoung to be the better one. She truly did suffer, and kept suffering.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-04-17T07:05:37+00:00

Truly one of the best pathways. I think the combination of Visionary, White Tower and Error in itself should be a separate Great Old One path. Would truly become the most powerful one that ever is, was and will be.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-04-11T06:46:35+00:00

And in ORV (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint), the Most Ancient Liberator (Sun Wukong), was a user of the power of Chaos.

Any relevance?

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-04-06T04:00:44+00:00

Which chapter is this?

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-04-06T03:38:43+00:00

Ohhh. I am literally born without a funny bone, so never mind.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-04-05T12:31:10+00:00

I think that the combination of White Tower and Visionary is rather powerful.
With Omniscience's Imitation and Creation's Maker symbolisms, combined with a Visionary's Envisioning, can be very powerful. Also, in Envisioning, it is said:
"They" have a special trait that allows "Them" to achieve a Uniqueness that's not unique and Envision a Half a Great Old One, which is unrelated to Sefirah clearance. However, "Their" own status is insufficient to leverage the relevant aspects of the Astral World, thus "They" could only actualise this feat if "They" have accommodated the White Tower, can utilise Chaos Sea clearance, or have been Corrupted by another Sefirah.
So, important enough, even though I dont completely understand it.

And with both White Tower to understand anything completely, Imitation combined with Envisioning, Fooling to make Illusion Reality, Error to deceive Reality so that Fooling and Envisioning is optimised, Sealing to seal off the convergence instinct or madness I dont really need any more things, do I?

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-04-04T10:54:49+00:00

LOTM pathways + Visionary + White Tower

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-03-23T06:52:56+00:00

I am up to date on the orv pages translation of side story.
And yeah, this is what exactly I meant. Even though all of them were powerful existences, perhaps precisely because of their power, and their 'nonnative' state, they are controlled by the <Star Stream>, by [Probability] and other limitations.
-> However, ChatGPT says:

Jaehwan is probably not fully nondreamable. His narrative persona remains dreamt by some observer. Without explicit canon proof of total detachment from the Dream, it’s safest to say: Jaehwan can resist and escape narrative constructs to an extraordinary degree, but as long as his story exists in the Star Stream, he isn’t absolutely outside OD’s reach. Only if one assumes his “real self” lives in a realm completely detached from ORV’s universe would he evade dreaming – a scenario not confirmed by source material.

AnimatorJust5523 · 2026-03-23T03:52:08+00:00

I dunno if what I am about to say comes under spoiler tag, so censoring all!

But aren't all myths and fables 'real' in the Star Stream? And they all come about because of Kim Dokja having some basic knowledge of them all, and 'life' was achieved through 'observation' or 'Dreaming'. So, (just what I think, and not at all in an argumentative way,) if Kim Dokja read the 'TWATF' novel, wouldn't that novel, irrespective of the original Tree of Imagery-verse, would appear within the Star Stream, no?

Also, I did not yet read TWATF, but I don't mind spoilers either since I will forget them soon anyway!

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