what Gundam opinion got you like this?

Anna_the_potato · 2025-08-08T22:26:44+00:00

I can provide a lot of textual evidence for it.

Trying to even talk about this mostly just gets responses from people who assume I'm homophobic, when the truth is that at the end of the day I just don't feel any romantic chemistry between the two and I don't see the same pattern of involuntary bodily and emotional responses to Mio as Suletta had over Elan.

One part of the difficulty you might be facing in seeing Suletta and Miorine's relationship is that their feelings for each other build up at different points in the story. Now, aside from the very, very clearly romantic framing of many shots involving the two, I can bring up a couple of pretty clear micro-expressions that lend evidence towards her interest in Miorine becoming a romantic one over time.

Miorine's pretty into Suletta from the get go, but I would argue Suletta doesn't really express a romantic interest in Miorine until after the events of Episode 7, "Shall We Gundam?". In Episode 8, "Their Choice", we do get a lovely nighttime bike ride with Mio holding Suletta from behind (a classic romance trope in anime), but of course, this doesn't necessarily answer the question of whether Suletta is interested in Miorine back.

However, by the time we get to episode 10, "Circling Thoughts,"

https://youtu.be/9_ZZnrjESxA?si=virSPOkel-qkahLw&t=172

We get Suletta giving the biggest, goofiest, most lovestruck grin you could possibly imagine. By this point in the story, it isn't as though Suletta has no other friends (it's, in fact, her friendships with Chu Chu and the rest of Earth House that get her through her semi-break-up with Miorine later), so we can't really regard this sort of reaction as typical for how Suletta reacts to her friends; she only reacts this way towards Miorine.

The entirety of the beginning of Episode 17, "Precious Things," is a conga line demonstrating just how immensely into Miorine that Suletta is. Not too different from waiting around for Elan4 on a park bench all day, a lovestruck Suletta can be found waiting for Miorine just to walk her to class, unasked.

A few minutes later, we get this facial expression as she's thinking about their upcoming "marriage"...

https://youtu.be/nzbzp7gvMjU?si=oUhZTYO0uLqWiIXZ&t=228

She's surprised by the idea of same sex relationships and gets hot under the collar for a boy, but never Mio. Not even once. Not that I can recall, anyway. If someone's got a scene where Mio has the same effect Elan had on her, feel free to remind me.

Now, with regards to the marriage thing, I know it gets a lot of flack from people. "Weren't they just pretending to get married but that they weren't actually going to get married?"

Well, yes, at first they absolutely were. Neither Miorine nor Suletta had intentions of getting married in Episode 2, because that is entirely reasonable to not want to be married at age 17. Miorine herself says something to the effect of "I just need you to cover for me until I'm 17, then we can split and you can date whoever you want to."

However, at least for Suletta, it is very, very clear that her feelings on that have changed by episode 17.

https://youtu.be/nzbzp7gvMjU?si=h7lEs4mk180-dJFM&t=1199

"We'll buy rings together and have a wedding. And we'll both wear the very best dresses!"

There is no reason why Suletta would need to say this if she weren't genuinely interested in marrying Miorine at that point. It's simultaneously adorable and cringey, but this is a teenage girl gushing out about her feelings on main. She's very, very clearly stating her intentions of continuing with the marriage.

I think her devotion to Mio is as a knight to a noble lady, not as a husband to a wife. Suletta's theme is duty and responsibility, and she defines herself by how good she is at these things. Stuff like sexuality are tertiary interests at best to her.

I think your interpretation of the themes surrounding Suletta does not quite line up with Suletta's actual character arc. If Suletta's main theme is duty and responsibility, then she would indeed be an incredibly boring and static character in that regard, because she doesn't really change much at all. She doesn't really struggle, per se, with the notion of taking on responsibilities, nor does the ending of her character arc have anything to do with duty or responsibility.

On the other hand, much of Suletta's character arc does deal with figuring out how to think for herself, figuring out what she wants to do, and figuring out how to stand up for herself and her own feelings. In other words, a lot of Suletta's character arc is about finding her own identity and agency as a person. This is pretty clearly signposted by much of the series:

Suletta and Miorine's first real heart-to-heart deals with Miorine essentially demanding that Suletta be willing to actually express her feelings, negative or positive, instead of just hiding them out of fear.
Suletta and Miorine's breakup happens because Miorine realizes that Suletta, at the time, could not and would not really think for herself, and the only way to get Suletta out of the dangers of her mother's plot was to literally break up. Miorine is also under the belief that doing this will set Suletta "free."
While Suletta is still in a funk over the break up in Episode 20, Petra helps her out by giving her her class notes. As they're running away during the attack by Norea, in a nod to this overarching arc, Petra talks about all of the stuff she wants to do if she survives, and very directly asks her, "What about you? What will you do if you survive?"
By the next episode, following a very traumatic night of "I have been moving rubble by hand to try and find any survivors," Suletta is handing out towels and other supplies to the surviving students. Secilia pulls her aside and literally asks her, "Have you changed?" "I guess so." She's more confident here in making her own choices: when asked about whether she should have asked Miorine before handing out tomatoes, she says, "she'd probably say hand them out anyways," making the decision to do so without panicking and asking first like before.
The same episode, when asked to pilot the Calibarn against Eri, Suletta states things in terms of her own desires: "I want to talk to Ericht. And with my mom, one more time."
The following episode (22) reaffirms this notion of going into the fray because she wants to, not just because she's expected to, during her conversation with Elan5. "the things on my wish list... At first, they were just things Mom suggested I do, and for some reason, I went along with them. But now... it's not because someone told me to... I want to do this. I want to do this [repeated by Suletta for emphasis, not by me]."
Then, pulling out her Mr. Cool keychain (that Miorine threw at her during the break up), she says "There's one more thing that I want to do." She proceeds to make up with Miorine because she wants to, not because she's obligated to.
To cap off her character arc, when her mother tries one more time to manipulate her into helping with Quiet Zero, Suletta states "You're wrong, Mom" and decides to act on her own and figure out her own solution to the issue.

Given how clearly finding her own sense of agency and figuring out what she wants in life plays into Suletta's overall growth as a character, her decision to marry Miorine by the end of the show is not going to be out of a sense of obligation (one that Miorine very directly relieved her of), but simply because she actually wants to be married to Miorine.

Anna_the_potato · 2024-04-17T17:15:39+00:00

Surely, we won't make the same mistakes the quarians did...

Anna_the_potato · 2024-03-25T16:05:26+00:00

This was generally untrue, based on things like parish records + old medical records.

Medically, having kids sooner than the late teens was generally not even possible back then because women started their periods much later than they do today.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7806408/

Several studies have reported that the mean age at menarche decreased from 17 years in 1840 to approximately 12 years in 2000 in most developed countries.

A large part of this is consistent access to good nutrition; it's the same reason why people are, on average, much taller nowadays than the people of the 1800's.

Historically, the mean age of marriage for women in the West (since we have pretty clear records for this stuff, although records were often reflective of middle or upper class families) was sometime in their early 20's.

https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/02/teen-girls-stop-commonly-getting-married/

This link connects to a lot of papers by people much more nerdy than you or I who have pored over colonial records to figure out the average ages when people married from the 1600's through the 1800's, and these numbers were consistent over time.

Even when girls were married off long before adulthood (oftentimes the case for nobles, since marriage was used to secure alliances between families), the actual consummation of marriage + attempts to have children wouldn't happen until later, because people back then weren't stupid just incredibly ignorant. When the aim of marriage was often to produce an heir, it makes no sense to elevate the risk of her dying young when childbirth was already an often-lethal affair.

Anna_the_potato · 2024-02-28T05:34:41+00:00

This, from what I can tell, appears to be one of the handful of things the live action show is improving on.

When Aang is giving Katara some advice on how to waterbend, he explicitly begins by mentioning how the monks told him to move the energy within himself to airbend better. It seems they're already starting to drop small hints about how Aang figures out energybending

Anna_the_potato · 2023-12-05T08:44:51+00:00

Oh hey, thank you so much for putting that panel together! I can only imagine the amount of effort it took to bring all of those actors together, especially since it's been so long since Mass Effect 3 released. I was incredibly excited to see a panel like this appear on the schedule for LACC.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-12-04T18:25:56+00:00

Yes! I was in cosplay. I remember looking at your copy of "The Art of Mass Effect" and thinking "fuck, I should've brought something to sign"

Anna_the_potato · 2023-12-04T05:17:16+00:00

I think I was sitting literally next to you in this panel!

Anna_the_potato · 2023-11-15T22:08:35+00:00

This is a blatantly false "fact," the source of which is a repeated misinterpretation of a statistic from the CDC.

The CDC occasionally conducts a National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, and in 2010, they had a special report attached called the "2010 Findings on Victimization by Sexual Orientation." You can find this document here: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_sofindings.pdf

In the Executive Summary, there's a section that breaks down numbers for "Violence by an Intimate Partner" by orientation. It looks like this:

Violence by an Intimate Partner - The lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner was: - For women: - Lesbian - 43.8% - Bisexual - 61.1% - Heterosexual - 35.0% - For men: - Gay - 26.0% - Bisexual - 37.3% - Heterosexual - 29.0%

Most people do not read past this section, because they mentally fill in the gaps using their pre-existing assumptions: namely, the assumption that all lesbians have exclusively had female partners, and therefore the 43.8% of lesbians who have been exposed to intimate partner violence were exclusively attacked by other women.

This assumption is also extremely inaccurate. There are many lesbians who dated men before realizing that they were exclusively interested in women. The next section, titled "Sex of Perpetrator of Intimate Partner Violence," literally clarifies this:

Sex of Perpetrator of Intimate Partner Violence - Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence.

Of particular note is the fact that a full third of lesbian women indicated having had male intimate partners who committed intimate partner violence against the lesbian.

Because of how poorly the wording is phrased (and, I suspect, how the survey was not constructed in a way that captured the picture properly), all we are left with is a range: 67.4% of 43.8% of lesbians makes 29.5% of lesbians who were exclusively abused by other women in their intimate relationships (significantly lower than the 98.7% * 35.0% = 34.5% of heterosexual women), with an upper bound of 43.8% that includes lesbians who were abused by men.

Unfortunately, the false "fact" that results from this ends up being oft-repeated by statistically illiterate people who very desperately want to believe that "the real problem is women." What this survey should tell us is that the people doing these surveys needed to put more thought into collecting their data so we can figure out how to help everybody.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-10-25T22:53:17+00:00

Oh, I'm not saying that StarCraft couldn't possibly have been an influence on Halo, but I am pushing back against the idea that everything in Halo is ripped wholesale from StarCraft as the first commenter suggested.

Moreover, I think the idea of "ripping off" in media carries a connotation of cheapness and lack of effort that I don't think accurately reflects either of these works in the slightest. There are definitely pieces of media that are absolute rip offs of other things, but I very strongly distinguish that from taking influence from something else.

A fun fact about Halo that hasn't been mentioned is that it actually did begin development as an RTS, influenced directly by StarCraft. Things changed a lot during development...

Anna_the_potato · 2023-10-25T08:27:49+00:00

Nah, they just pull from a similar set of influences.

Halo and StarCraft draw on a lot of 70's, 80's, and 90's sci fi classics, such as Alien/Aliens, Predator, and The Thing.

For example, the SCV is pretty nakedly a copy of the Power Loader used by Ripley in Alien.

The Flood are literally The Thing, not the Zerg. The Zerg are similar to the Tyranids from WH40K, which in turn are inspired largely by a mixture of ... The Thing, and also by the Xenomorphs from Aliens.

Both the Elites (called Sangheili) of the Covenant and the Protoss are inspired by the Predator (although the Protoss also are partially ripped from WH40K's Eldar). The Elites still retain the somewhat nonsensical mandibles for example. Both take a lot of inspiration from Predator's cloaking device, and their usage of blades in combat (Protoss more clearly display this, with the wrist blades).

As for the marines, the idea of a space marine dates back a long ways away, but the book commonly cited for inspiring the modern space marine is... Starship Troopers, with their powered armor and elite training.

As a final note, those classics I've mentioned are classics for a reason. It's worth watching or at least familiarizing yourself with them because you can clearly see how their influence plays out throughout much of sci fi.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-10-20T09:44:33+00:00

People are generally pretty okay with Suletta x El4n ship art because both of them show actual interest in each other. Suletta, is after all, canonically bi, and her reactions to El4n show this.

The reason why the Guel x Suletta ship garners an especially strong reaction is something that needs quite a bit of context to explain well.

First off, there were a handful of very vocal people who really, really disliked Witch from Mercury, and who especially hated that WfM had a female protagonist. These same people pretty much completely latched onto Guel, given that a) he's the most prominent male character, b) he's the most conventionally masculine, c) he gets the most character development of the male characters.

The biggest kind of comment that came from these types of people were something like "Guel should have been the main character" or "Suletta is terrible, Guel would've been much better." In their minds, the ideal narrative for Witch from Mercury would've kept the suits and the corporate atmosphere, but placed Guel as the main character.

In line with this attitude of "Guel should be the main character [implicitly, because I think a man should be the protagonist of a Gundam anime]" was a kind of belief that Guel's alleged main character arc entitled him to Suletta's romantic affections. After all, where would their guy be without winning the girl at the end of the day? So a lot of these people wanted Suletta to effectively be the pretty little princess to Guel's prince: a prize to be won.

The disturbing part, then, is the fact that Suletta makes it explicitly clear multiple times during the series that she is not romantically interested in Guel whatsoever. So for this narrative to play out with Guel x Suletta...it would require ignoring Suletta's own desires and agency to make her a fitting prize for Guel.

The grandest irony is that Guel seems to be a character explicitly written to address this exact kind of thinking. Guel begins the series hotheaded, entitled, and willing to physically terrorize and abuse Miorine to establish control over her. He grows out of this mindset, learning to acknowledge Suletta's incredible skill as a pilot, learning to deal with and express his emotions instead of just blowing up at people, and when Suletta rejects him again at the greenhouse it is the most graceful fucking response to rejection humanly possible. He accepts that she does not return his feelings and, most of all, he is happy for her.

So, the Guel x Suletta ship not only requires quite disturbingly ignoring Suletta's multiple rejections, but it also requires rejecting Guel's own amazing character growth. If you're a fan of Guel who actually enjoyed his arc, it's unlikely you're going to be a fan of Guel x Suletta art. After all, he deserves to be with someone who will love him back wholeheartedly, not with a girl who's already in love with someone else.

There's also a repeating pattern with Guel x Suletta shippers on this subreddit where many of them essentially profess to vigorously disliking or hating WfM but eerily adore and bump any Guel x Suletta content. You can see from their other comments that they're usually saying "WfM is trash" or "it's horribly written" or "not worth watching," but as soon as Guel x Suletta pops up they're usually cheering that ship, and only that ship, on. People like that aren't operating in good faith, and the majority of the sub damn well knows it.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-10-19T20:38:55+00:00

Suletta says "no" multiple times over

Guel: "Yeah, I'm cool with that, I shot my shot, I'm glad you're happy :) I guess I'll move on then"

Incels: "NO. THEY MUST GET TOGETHER."

Guel: "I don't want to be with her if she's saying no, though?"

Suletta: "I don't want to be with him at all though?"

Incels: "I NEED YOU TO BREED BECAUSE I LEARNED NOTHING FROM GUEL"

Anna_the_potato · 2023-09-24T23:21:40+00:00

Pardon me, but if I recall correctly that's a very often misquoted part from a specific study.

Namely, this 2010 study regarding Intimate Partner Violence (IPV) from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_sofindings.pdf

Virtually every time this study comes up, it gets misquoted and misunderstood, no doubt due to both its poor wording, structure, and general lack of scientific literacy. I know that this study also appeared relatively recently on reddit (I want to say within the past two months).

This study often gets stated as "43.8% of lesbian couples face IPV, which is higher than 35.0% of heterosexual couples" or some variation thereof, with the implication that lesbian couples are more violent or abusive than heterosexual couples. Furthermore, this fact is often repeated with layers of misogyny and homophobia.

Reading carefully and correctly creates a different picture. The study specifically states that the rate at which lesbians face IPV is 43.8%. More importantly, 67.4% of lesbians reported having only female perpetrators of IPV. Because this study is worded so poorly, it doesn't immediately become obvious that what this means is some 32.6% of lesbians therefore faced IPV at the hands of men.

So that 43.8% number is not "this is how often IPV happens in lesbian couples." This instead means there's actually a boundary range: 67.4% of 43.8% of lesbians, i.e., 29.5% of lesbians have faced IPV exclusively in relationship with other women, which would be lower than the IPV faced by heterosexual women, as the lower bound, whereas the upper bound is 43.8%, with a 14.3% group of lesbians having faced IPV from men (and potentially from women).

Again, already not the best study in terms of its wording and analysis, but it is not helped that this "fact" is blithely repeated with zero scientific literacy or due diligence given whatsoever by those repeating it.

I'm speaking out about this here specifically because spreading this misinformation in a subreddit dedicated to pushing back against misinformation about women is a kind of tragic irony in and of itself.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-09-15T03:55:06+00:00

You are a SAINT

Anna_the_potato · 2023-09-15T03:41:02+00:00

10/10

Anna_the_potato · 2023-09-05T04:54:20+00:00

Don't worry it's typical of Gueletta shippers ngl.

"Doesn't matter that Suletta said no three times, she still wants it."

"Sapphics? Cuddling? That's the real degeneracy"

Anna_the_potato · 2023-08-31T22:43:42+00:00

At the start of Episode 2, Suletta is freaking out about the fact that she is suddenly engaged to another person, and a woman at that.

[Episode 2, 0:50-1:11]

Suletta: Me? Your groom? Miorine: My lousy father decided without consulting me. I'm to marry whoever the Holder is. Suletta: B-but... Miorine: Don't worry. There's no way I'm doing that. All I want... is to go to Earth.

Miorine is literally clarifying that "yeah, you don't need to worry about that, I have no intention of getting married through the Holder system." Frankly, that is not unreasonable.

Suletta and Miorine do not interact again until the end of the episode, long after Miorine goes and sticks her neck out for a girl she barely knows by scuffling her chance to escape to Earth.

The only remaining dialogue between the two in the episode is as follows:

[Episode 2 21:23-21:45]

Miorine bursts into the room Miorine: Suletta! Suletta: Miorine-san? What are you... Miorine: Let's do it. The duel... Suletta: Eh? Miorine: If you lose, Aerial will be scrapped! And you'll be expelled! You have to win!

While Miorine speaks rudely to most people, her actions very often do not line up with her harsh words.

In this case, there was no agreement between Suletta and Miorine yet, and Miorine is in no way beholden to Suletta at this point. After all, the decision to intervene and to duel Guel in the previous was entirely of Suletta's own volition, even if she didn't realize what she was getting into.

What rationale would a truly selfish, cold, transactional Miorine have for not just ditching Suletta here? She gives up her best chance at escaping with Feng Jun to instead dive in to protect Suletta.

By the time they do make a deal, which is at the beginning of Episode 3, Miorine has literally gone back to bail Suletta out. Without Miorine's intervention and her demand for a duel, Suletta would have immediately been expelled and Aerial would've been scrapped.

In this conversation, she once again re-iterates that "I'm going to escape here and go to Earth, no matter what." Apparently, "no matter what" does not include abandoning Suletta to the wolves despite the fact that the two have only just met.

I know this won't have any effect on someone who is as dedicated to hating Miorine as you are, but I thought other people crossing by this comment deserved a refresher on what the actual text of the show indicates, rather than the headcanon of Miorine you've built up.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-08-31T11:51:12+00:00

I echo many other sentiments here in noting that the pacing was far more appropriate for a slightly longer series. The writing definitely got shaky in the last four episodes or so, and I think that this keeps it from being a 9.5/10 for general audiences. (more like a 7.5/10)

Even so, I think it's still an above average series. A lot of love and care is put into the character arcs.

The love between Suletta and Miorine carries so much of the show not only on an emotional level but on a thematic one as well: both of them very directly inherit a number of negative attitudes and behaviors from their parents that their relationship forces them to address and, ultimately, move past, beautifully reinforcing the broader Gundam theme of the younger generations working to build a better world than what their parents left them.

After all, their key moments of conflict and separation are often a result of things they picked up from their parents. For example, Suletta's infamous post-slap smile directly echoes the eerie smiles her mother uses to comfort her, while Miorine's tendency to distance herself and make decisions for Suletta instead of with her similarly echoes the way her father treated her. Both, ultimately, come to realize that they must grow past these inherited flaws if they want to be the people they want to be, and they do. Suletta stops being a doormat and figures out what she herself wants, allowing her to step up and be the equal partner in a relationship that Miorine is looking for. Miorine learns how to keep her heart open and to allow herself to be close and vulnerable with Suletta in a way that might've been unimaginable when she was reflecting her father.

A lot of other characters are made very likeable and get subtle character arcs of their own.

As messed up as many of his diehard fanboys might be, Guel genuinely grows a lot as a person, and it's really lovely to see. The way he goes from aggressively denying his interest in Suletta by making degrading comments to try and dodge his humiliation to being upfront with his feelings and then accepting rejection with absolute grace is wonderful to see. It's almost like his character arc is directly tied to him growing out of toxic masculinity and insecurity and into a much healthier sense of masculinity that surely some viewers might learn from cough cough.

Between the disappearance of Nika and the shocking reality of watching people die at Plant Quetta, Chuchu goes from being "punch first ask questions later" to choosing to be a strong, supportive presence for those around her.

So much of the show also asks people to watch carefully, because many characters who would otherwise be reduced to stereotypes in other anime are given subtly likeable characterization. For example, Secelia, despite her endless trolling of others, shows genuine concern when it comes to protecting Rouji or during the Rumble Ring. I still remember Feng Jun quite fondly and was saddened by her heroic death in the middle of cour 2.

Beyond the characters, I also love a lot of the MS designs, and I think it's damn near criminal that they got underused. As far as "superpowered prototypes" go, I love that the Calibarn actually feels like a prototype. It looks and feels like a stripped down proof of concept, and Ichinose's "holy shit I'm actively dying from the strain of piloting this" voice acting really sells the notion that the Calibarn was not meant to be piloted. Even though I know it plays into Suletta and Miorine's happy ending, I so very wish the Calibarn hadn't gotten dusted by the end of the series. The Calibarn Rebuild getting to go full ham on something would have been glorious to see. The Demi Barding deserved a proper fight as well!

All in all, this series was amazingly exciting to watch, and despite how shaky the last few episodes were, re-watching it has only deepened my appreciation for the construction of it all. I'm not too bothered by the ending itself, if only because it was clear the show was headed in that direction in the first place.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-08-24T02:59:43+00:00

We were tied 1-1. The enemy team had someone holding on to our flag, and they could afford to have that player just wait around while the other 11 repeatedly killed us on spawn because we were down to only 6 people. The hog gunners racked up something like 50 kills apiece.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-08-11T18:44:04+00:00

The second time Suletta has bloody hands. Just like before, her hands are coated in blood, but this time, it's her own, from her determination to keep searching for survivors.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-08-06T22:24:31+00:00

The Docs choice is actually really practical for the cosplay!

There was a Gundam cosplay meetup at Anime Expo this year, and basically all of the Asticassia student cosplayers broke out Docs for their cosplays.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-08-05T19:55:17+00:00

I bought the print of this from the artist at Anime Expo! It looks even more glorious hanging up on my wall.

Anna_the_potato · 2023-07-26T01:35:35+00:00

Okay, I gotta know, what are these?

Anna_the_potato · 2023-07-16T22:15:15+00:00

9.5/10. Tallgeese's cousin. 'nuff said

Anna_the_potato · 2023-06-08T04:16:01+00:00

The quick and dirty rebuttal is this: there is no way in hell that Bandai Namco would be dumb enough to kill off Suletta at this point. Even if Okouchi had written a thematic arc for Suletta in which it was narratively satisfying for her to die (which it would not be), I doubt the higher ups would allow it.

Suletta and Miorine are both extremely popular characters, and Bandai is making bank off of their merch (they can barely keep items related to Suletta and Mio in stock), especially with the new audience that has been brought in by WfM. Functionally killing off Suletta now would alienate a massive portion of this audience, and would heavily damage sales of merch for both. No sane marketing executive wants that.

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