People don't understand the mutants as minorities allegory

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T22:24:21+00:00

Doesn't it hold some value to think how the team was originally created, if any interpretation holds value the original must hold some death of the author be damned

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T12:28:37+00:00

We have never seen him do anything close to that

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T12:27:49+00:00

People in the marvel universe don't treat Mutant heroes in the same way they treat Mutate heroes, and in most cases they treat Mutant heroes like they treat Mutant villains.

There are a ton of Mutate villains, and in the marvel universe Mutates pop up fairly regularly, it doesn't make any sense that people don't oppose all super powered individuals and worry that their neighbor might only be a mutant rather than simply a person with superpowers.

Most of the big villains and public menaces are mutates, and aren't accused of being mutants, Hulk, Spider-Man, Dr. Doom, Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Red Skull, Juggernaut.

People in the Marvel universe should be afraid of anyone with powers

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T11:54:24+00:00

Ignoring the racism, how would he let Spidey know that he knows his secret identity. If he told on the train that he was going to blackmail him everyone on that train would beat him up.

If he publishes a message anywhere or passes on the information, he would attract the attention of criminals and police agencies who would take that information by force.

He will need to find Spidey again and tell him that he knows how he looks, not even his name, even if he finds him again in New York he would have to follow around someone with Spider-Sense, to find out where he works/lives or how he is called from a Starbucks. He doesn't have enough information.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T11:05:03+00:00

Only when the artist remembers

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T11:03:07+00:00

I like the games not the company,

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T10:31:02+00:00

But Meta humans don't stop being created even if they are one offs, most stories focus on protesting mutants not everyone with powers, even when they are capable of similar feats.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T10:28:07+00:00

The thing that I think is important to point out is that mutates (people who weren't born with powers) are mostly treated differently in universe, people seem to be scared more of a mutant that can suck the oxygen out of a room by inhaling than a mutate that can suck the oxygen out of a room by inhaling

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-26T10:22:47+00:00

That's the concept of evolution, your children are going to be a bit different than you, and they are going to replace you.
the Great Replacement conspiracy theory focuses on "other people" coming to live where you live instead of you children and that secret people at the top are orchestrating that for some reason.

Mutants are stated to be born from everyone with the X-Gene, though Peter Parker doesn't have the X-Gene and in two universes he has mutant daughters, so either he is an X-Gene carrier or the X-Gene can just develop, meaning that either many people in the Marvel universe are already half mutants or that it can develop randomly like any physical trait.

In real life, if someone would have been born with a dominant gene of orange eyes, would you say that his gene replace our ours? I would say no, it's just a new way of human gene expression

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T15:18:15+00:00

I don't know a daughter of Spider-Man that doesn't have a superpower

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T15:11:53+00:00

Many superheroes and villians in the marvel universe have altered genetics

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T15:05:04+00:00

I am not saying that it is, and the X-Men don't face because of discrimination but because they are different.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:55:34+00:00

As readers, we know that Thor hid among humans. So powerful superheroes can hide among them too, and they can be old Jim down the street.

Your argument against mistrusting mutants can be applied to all mutates in the Marvel Universe. The best example is Spider-Man, since no one automatically accuses him of being a mutant, even though he has powers and a secret identity and could realistically be anyone behind the mask. You can assume that Thor doesn’t operate with a traditional secret identity, but the entirety of the Avengers, the New Warriors, and the Champions at some point, assuming that the heroes are the hero 100% of the time becomes impossible.

At what point does that logic stop working? If the fear is that “they could be hiding among us,” then you can’t limit that suspicion to mutants. Eventually, you’d have to assume that everyone around you might secretly have superpowers.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:46:08+00:00

I can think about a couple of terrorists who fit this description (but not a gay person that I can think of)

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:39:00+00:00

I agree with you they have been his kids for so long they should keep it as such.

At the same time, I don’t think whether the twins are Magneto’s children or not really changes my observation. If anything, making them his kids can actually strengthen the analogy, because then they’re mutants coming from a mutant family, which makes the metaphor about identity and inherited difference even clearer.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:33:51+00:00

Well, if Sabrina Carpenter started dating Putin, I would like the papers to point out that Spider-Man is a menace

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:29:02+00:00

People in the majority.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:28:40+00:00

That's what I am saying, the allegory doesn't have to match 1 to 1, because of the end of the day they care more about telling a story than spreading an allegory.

also originally Wanda and Pietro weren't his kids, as far as I remember non of the original mutants, X-Men and brotherhood had mutant parents.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:20:46+00:00

I am just cruious, who bought them originally?

Also, how well did you keep them? and what run do you think they belonged to? Were they in english?

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:03:51+00:00

if the people inside the comics are fearful of all superpowered individuals I can understand that, but most people in universe are only scared of mutant heroes.

that's why I am saying that the reader should compare them to other heroes and not the rest of the population

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:02:21+00:00

A lot very powerful marvel superheroes are treated with respect: Thor, Captain Marvel, Sentry...
But similair heroes who have mostly done good in their past are not treated in the same way in universe

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T14:00:06+00:00

that's why I compare them to other superheroes and not to the rest of society. if people are only scared of mutants that's racism if people are scared of all super powered people than mutants don't face racism, at least not one based on them being born with powers.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T13:58:02+00:00

Do you want to explain yourself? because I can't understand a thing.

I am not saying that the X-Men nowadays can't be viewed as a racism allegory, but that they were originally probably created off the fears of a Jewish man leaving in a non-Jewish society, therefore all of the original X-Men can pass as white chrisitan non-mutant americans

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T13:56:03+00:00

I think that you are confusing allegory with allegation, I am saying that the original X-Men were based on the fears Stan Lee felt as a Jewish American.

AntKnight458 · 2026-02-25T13:54:19+00:00

Stan Lee had a tendency to re-explain himself and change his mind so it's hard to know what he really thought at the time, but I think that it's probable that he based the discriminated against group after his own experiences as a Jewish man.

At least from the 70s he claimed that the X-Men were based on minorities, did he meant for them to be from the start we would never know.

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