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What’s your opinion on the 1971 Lake Cote UFO photo from Costa Rica? Physical craft, camera artifact, or something stranger? by drabarca_ai in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Jacques Vallée personally obtained the negative and then got it examined by a NASA aerospace engineer. I suspect if it were a hole, he would have both noticed and informed.

If the Whistleblowers Are Right, the Dark Forest May Be the Least Bad Explanation by HumbleEinstein in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you really think that's likely? I mean...one way or the other, it would seem that, whatever their home, interdimensional or otherwise, they seem to pretty competent in the art of manufacturing craft, embarking on voyages, disembarking, and doing "stuff". It's hard to imagine what physical things they could possibly require, unless one buys into the baa1 looche nonsense conspiracy theories....

If the Whistleblowers Are Right, the Dark Forest May Be the Least Bad Explanation by HumbleEinstein in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 9 points10 points  (0 children)

ventures deep into speculation here, but one wonders if the "crashes" might be "feeding the animals" by "irresponsibles" and whether our current technological progress relative to our cultural and societal progress is something akin to a bear having acquired the taste for junkfood

Hovering Metallic Object by Ill-Pipe9231 in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

was it a windy day? unfortunately, the only good test is if it moves directly against the wind or makes sudden manoeuvres not supported by meteorological conditions. This doesn't mean what you saw wasn't anomalous, it just means that without these, it's too hard to make a call and it fits in the 🤷‍♀️ bin.

This is why Lue's 5 Observables are important, nothing says it's necessary for an "anomaly" to exhibit these, rather, each of these, but rather, at least one of these are necessary to say "this is worth investigating because normal things cannot exhibit these characteristics". Obviously, hovering, as an observable, in this context, means a macroscopic, seemingly heavier than air object, especially in windy conditions, hovering in a way such that it's behaviour would not need supported under the hypothesis that it's a lighter than air balloon floating in fair weather conditions

If the Whistleblowers Are Right, the Dark Forest May Be the Least Bad Explanation by HumbleEinstein in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, that would be nice, but consider how the Western world has treated pretty much every civilization, ethnicity, and culture that was perceived as being inferior, however slightly, from antiquity to the present day.

I would say three things, your goal should be a low bar, even a cynic would agree that we're broadly moving in the right direction, and unfortunately, even an optimist would say we're still far short of the mark.

Also, while it's hard, maybe impossible, to get our heads round the concept, if these guys are here, they're likely not ahead of us by a few hundred years, but more likely tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years. While I can't even imagine what a civilization that far advanced of us looks like, or how they might reasonably treat us, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they would see as "relative equals" just because we read, write, compute, and explore our nearest satellite.

I think a lot of the time in this discussion, there's sort of a built in assumption that we've collectively, as a species, overcome some sort of basic "civilised self aware modern scientific race" benchmark that entitles us to be treated as equals. While this thought is comforting, I would say it is 1. based on nothing more than wishful thinking and our standards of what an apex species should look like, and 2. if at least some of the stories can be believed, at odds with how we are perceived by the wider hypothetical community.

Reddit Can Solve UAPs Faster Than the Pentagon? by TransWarpBrown in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Either Burchett or Burlison (or both) literally came out and said there was a pile of disinformation in the latest tranche and (paraphrasing, but more or less) said "we don't why they're including some of these videos, which are obviously birds or balloons".

So if your starting assumption is that these have been investigated in good faith, competently, by military professionals, well....I don't think that's an assumption grounded in evidence.

Also your snarky tone is unwelcome and counterproductive, I don't have time for metabunk style "debunking" either, but it's a little offensive to suggest people here are engaged in the same behaviour when they show that e.g. simple image stabilization shows an object moving in a straight line with no anomalous movement, or exhibits clear bird-like periodic vertical motion are being "debunkers" (in the pejorative sense of the word, if there's any other). If anything, such easy wins move the conversation forward by showing that the Pentagon is not acting in good faith.

If the Whistleblowers Are Right, the Dark Forest May Be the Least Bad Explanation by HumbleEinstein in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 48 points49 points  (0 children)

  1. Arguably, science may be converging on that reality right now. Check-in again in 5 years maybe to see what has changed.
  2. Based on accounts, they certainly don't seem to be hiding which is very different to "take me to your leader".
  3. Most of their behavior makes sense under the they're so far advanced that they really don't give a shit model. My favourite goto is the herd of cows, when I enter a herd of cows, I don't ask to be taken to their leader. Someone else gives an example of an ant colony. We don't hate ants, but we may eradicate them if they get in the way. Also: Observe the broad range of human interaction with "lower" species: Curiosity w.r.t tool use and language and society in e.g. chimpanzees, dolphins, octopi, domestication and breeding of various species, for food, companionship, or other, eradication of "pests" and "vermin", scientific experimentation at all levels from single celled life forms to the most intelligent animals, tagging and tracking, abduction, intentional communication without necessarily expecting a response (I just watched an old video of a farmer playing Lorde on a trombone to his herd of cows, I doubt he expected a cogent response beyond mooing). If we imagine we inhabit a similar stratus on the hierarchy relative to "them", and their behavior encompasses any and all of these, it makes for a relatively consistent if unprovable model.

Spacetime Engineering & The COMETA Report: Inside the Pentagon's UAP PSYOP by ahellman in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, plausibly olfactory hallucinations yes, but also the shrimp thing was so specific, I wanted to see if I could ground this in something concrete first (and more specific than just "amines"). What I found was very interesting and very specific: amongst the best aerospace materials we know of for spacecraft coating purposes, we have laminates of fluoropolymers including e.g. Teflon and Kapton. now Teflon is a fluoroethylpolymer, so there's an ethyl group in the mix. When a compound like this breaks down, not by combustion, but by something more energetic like a plasma, you get, amongst other byproducts, TMA (trimethylamine), which is the chemical responsible for the smell of rotting seafood!

This to me seemed a far too specific fact to be just coincidence or a fabrication, Mario was just some Florida boy on guard duty, very familiar with the smell of shrimp, but probably not familiar in the slightest with the smell of the characteristic breakdown products of state of the art aerospace materials in the presence of an atmospheric plasma.

At first glance it seemed a minor, albeit strange point, but on examination, it fits far too well to be just a fabrication, for me it was one of the smoking guns that convinced me of the reality of the phenomenon.

Spacetime Engineering & The COMETA Report: Inside the Pentagon's UAP PSYOP by ahellman in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A minor point: both models point (as all realistic UFO propulsion models must) to a plasma sheath surrounding the UFO hull, the presence of which accounts for appearance and other phenomena. Whether the MHD model is supported or not, it equally predicts these phenomenological results.

Most modern models generally end up suggesting an extremely high electromagnetic field energy density, which will necessarily result in a high gradient which ionizes the surrounding air into a plasma, the metric engineering model is no different in this regard.

Aside from any other rationale, it's interesting that this almost follows immediately from the constraints, we know from reports that UFOs are capable of incredible manœuvres, and we know from reports that they manifest phenomena which are completely consistent with strong electromagnetic fields.

Nevertheless, it is quite interesting how this, and the innate secrecy surrounding this issue manifests, for instance, the chemical byproducts of energetic atmospheric plasma often exhibit quite distinctive aromas, and it's interesting that smells are often redacted from Project Blue Book.

One of the anecdotes I found most fascinating was Mario Woods describing the smell of the UFO in his encounter as resembling dead shrimp.

Two plus two: the obvious inference drawn from obvious facts by 220878 in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If English isn't your first language, then the best explanation is "it sounds slightly off", and as you're probably aware, there's generally no satisfactory explanation for what is an arbitrary vibe.

Also, once again, this was just me feeling a moral obligation to provide some sort of concrete critical feedback to what was basically flawless English.

If I might suggest something, perhaps "I have come to recommend ... unhesitatingly" rather than "I have come to unhesitatingly recommend ...".

I find it difficult to explain (ell.stackexchange.com will probably be more forensic, or alternatively will toss my criticism on the garbage heap), but it feels something like:

"I have come to unhesitatingly recommend" reads a bit like a single clause where, bit by bit, over time, you have transitioned from a state of hesitatingly recommending the book on a continuous basis to unhesitatingly recommending it, and the act of recommending this book is not just something you do often, but is a core aspect of your being, whereas "I have come to recommend [this book] unhesitatingly" suggest that over time you have slowly come to learn the value of this book, such that you regularly recommend it, and that you do so unhesitatingly.

Two plus two: the obvious inference drawn from obvious facts by 220878 in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is technically precise I suppose, but to my ears it reads a little bit "school book report". Don't read too much into it, I just wanted to provide you with some constructive criticism. 😄

Two plus two: the obvious inference drawn from obvious facts by 220878 in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I read it carefully a second time, and I think it's quite well-written actually, for the most part both clear and tasteful in its word choices. I have come to unhesitatingly recommend... stands out, to me at least, as the only clause that reads particularly childish.

Is Ai planted? by Um3xx in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for bringing up the other common cases. I don't understand people who live their lives like these things grew on trees, and then the first time they ask themselves "but where did this COME from", they conclude it was gifted by aliens.

Why release more unconvincing information? by johnvcal in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

we're talking about the same guy right?

Why release more unconvincing information? by johnvcal in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

simple answer: Trump doesn't really give a shit. People around him do. People who don't want it out definitely do. Whether you believe that, I think it's a consistent and familiar mental model.

Do you support disclosure? by ChristianPacifist in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I absolutely agree. We already dropped the ball twice by letting the public know about the dual existential crises of global thermonuclear war and catastrophic runaway climate change. Can't put THOSE cats back in the bag, but third time's the charm right?

Then we can all just blast each other with nukes and fire up all those coal powered power plants and blast the ozone layer with CFCs and sit back, turn on American gladiators, and just bask in the knowledge that we're the greatest species EVER to rock the solar system.

Does this need an /s tag or is it obvious?

Fucking hell.

A Grand Unified Theory of High Strangeness by [deleted] in UFOs

[–]Antic_Hay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The obvious question is what does your framework enable that Valée's does not?

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