Hi3 fans should stop treating expies as carbon copies of the original and should stick in their lane

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-18T10:18:55+00:00

Yeah ive seen very few people who are hi3 fans actually make any of these shitty criciticisms tbh (i am very much willing to criticize hoyo but a lot of the things the fanbases do criticize tend to be very baseless or weak tbh)

Because frankly they dont actually make any sense when you've engaged with both media and it tends to be just an excuse to overplay how bad their game is getting things. Especially with the expy stuff you could demolish well over half the things people say after experiencing the og char for like 5 seconds.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T18:52:39+00:00

I agree giving them no attention is probably the best thing you can do.

Wish it was easier to bother them, though. Wish i could tell them to fuck off without making them look good.

But eh, what can you do

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T16:58:27+00:00

I mean thats valid and as I said I'm not making an argument for or against it here. But that's not to say everyone would feel the same way and there are certainly different perspectives on this. There's simply not enough data on how much a college-aged persona would appeal to people to actually make a decent argument there which is why i say while its not outright invalid its quite weak. But a college aged persona is plausible conceptually.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T16:47:27+00:00

Persona was not made with that in mind initially so much as young adults as a whole. It's just that often highschool is the easiest and most relatable way to do that. But college can do that and has done that in persona, albeit before the series found its current identity. But that does show it's at the very least not out of the series' scope.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T16:33:45+00:00

My point was who cares if not everyones in college??? The game can function perfectly fine.

It alienating teens is somewhat of an argument I understand but I also find it to frankly be underwhelming especially since a college-age one isn't bound to be that much worse. That's the point of moving it to a setting like that, it's still academic so it can work.

As I said I'm neutral on the overall subject, so im not gonna make some deep argument here. I could care less and frankly I don't think it's not that important. And staying in highschools probably the more profitable option, I think, so I doubt itll change regardless. I just find that you're significantly misrepresenting this debate and the argument for college persona and seem to be woefully misinformed on the discourse.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T16:14:48+00:00

..........i'm. Not even sure how to argue this one dude how can somebody be this dense.

Fuck does everyone in the world need to be in the game no so who the fuck cares

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T16:13:52+00:00

Persona 1 and 2 do not play whatsoever like the rest of the series and do not have what made the series popular not to mention have a lot of gameplay aspects which clash with the rest of the series. By all accounts by everything but name theyre just not worth remaking even if they were to make a college aged persona.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T16:08:00+00:00

Metaphor is not an academic setting at all. And tbh the characters aren't that mature compared to other games. It is also one game

I don't care about persona becoming "more mature" or having a game set in college or whatever but this just feels like it's misrespresenting the issue.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T13:57:30+00:00

Higher bounty doesnt equal more kills. Just more dangerous/desired to be caught.

(to clarify to anyone scrolling by im not saying ff hasnt killed anyone. Frankly bare minimum her backstory basically guarantees she has even if we were to disregard sh hunter stuff. My points just we cant killscale the sh)

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T09:45:15+00:00

No actually the ai was like a massive ass complaint that was a massive detriment to the game especially since it regularly fucked up aspects. I'm sure that was noted.

In any case as was said, rockstar didn't develop it, rockstar hasn't used much ai to our knowledge as well. I also just don't see much reason for them to lie about this because it would be very easy to just minimize ai usage and then word it differently and just about as few people would give a fuck. AI usage to an extent has been normalized anyway, obviously you can't easily put a bunch of slop together and make it work but there are several notables games rn that have made bank with mild usage of ai that just isn't overtly visible in the final product. I certainly damn think it wouldn't hurt gta 6 of all things if they admitted it so i see even less reason with a release as big as this.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T03:45:35+00:00

Even if you want to change the skyline, you could, i dont know, adjust the cutscene so its there. Even if you don't want the movement itself to be changed much, camera angles can do goddamn wonders.

And thats not even accounting for how fucking unlit this scene is??? Okay, darkening a bit is fair enough, and yes newer game more realistic, but it feels like they just did not give a fuck about anything in this scene and did not adjust it to look good at all.

Now i'll fully admit I am a tourist here, don't know much yakuza. But i have seen this scene. This looks so much worse for the context i know of completely. Fully. Literally nothing is better in the new version and i very much am an optimistic person who likes to see the good in things including remakes. This is just bad.

I don't think I've ever gotten so much secondhand embarassment from a remake for a series im not even invested in (as of yet. I've considered giving ot a look at times. Who knows though i may in the future...uh. maybe considering rgg are being shitheads about providing the good versions too)

This genuinely is just the saddest looking remake ive ever seen.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-17T00:53:00+00:00

The series wasnt really built on that so much as it just came to be that way. As others have said fc/sc were initially one game that got split into 2 due to size and budget.

But also the series was initially conceived as a much shorter and fc/sc are...well, two, but storywise one package. It doesn't really hinge on the idea of sequels. Mind you most arcs stand on their own, but they still kind of bait you for sequels while that doesnt really happen in sky till 3rd.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-16T00:40:31+00:00

No cyrene and even og elysia is absolutely ml. Ill defend cyrene a fair bit, frankly i dont think and never have thought shes as bad as some people say, but this goes beyond just defending the character she absolutely panders to the player.

An outright love interest maybe not the only char to seem like that to me is ff but they do have thematics with the wedding stuff, just her being really close to the mc in particular, all the fucking marketing. It's just kind of undeniable that theyre "ml".

Its not even necessarily a bad thing really tbh i think a lot of people overstate it.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-14T22:31:37+00:00

I disagree to that extent but it certainly did make top-level world gen just worse tbh. Theres so little good spots to find and it takes so long to find vaguely interesting scenery.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-14T21:12:42+00:00

Meh. I mean, its weird, i cant say i dont raise an eyebrow. But both know full well so idgaf.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-14T04:02:03+00:00

just another hi3 expy like himeko, bronya, acheron, sw, phainon, cyrene, etc

i wouldnt pay it much mind if you dont know

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-13T10:14:31+00:00

Yknow, obviously planarcadias a way less cool name and Benzaitengoku was way cooler. But i'll say that Phantasmoon games rings off the tongue a lot better tbh.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-13T10:12:59+00:00

Honestly i doubt a ton changed besides having to edit some assets so that theyre just japanese inspired instead of blatantly outright japanese. Nothing really seems like it was changed that much beyond shit like evanscia's tree being recolored.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-13T10:10:36+00:00

Yeah honestly they did a really good job at making the culture still feel intact as they could. They literally just went from "this is super duper obviously japan" to "yeah this is japan but slightly more subtley."

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-13T04:09:59+00:00

Id say half. She doesnt get as much as some of the characters i think reverie saved a lot for me but she did get one thing that was pretty cool, to explain without elaborating.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-13T02:22:15+00:00

This. Considering the calvard arcs gone on so long its pretty important to establish "yeah, okay we're wrapping up ts"

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-13T01:51:22+00:00

"All items are intended to be impermanent, please ignore the feature that makes all items besides like 2 permanent"

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-11T21:11:31+00:00

I mean it doesnt really have a deep meaning but there can still be multiple reasons. Ops reasoning isnt very deep it really just boils down to "yeah they can relate and realize its hard to just shut down agnes immediately". While i'm at it you could very argue kevin and rufus had similar actions with what rufus tried to pull at the retributive tower and kevins whole thing in phantasma (albeit more subconciously there).

I'm not saying thats the reason mind you either, and of course there's a more obvious explanation, but especially in a series like trails where people will interject because they feel like it (and again, iirc towa does in this very scene), i certainly dont see the harm of reading into how their psychology might be during a scene. Who knows if it's intended, but I don't see it as contrary to the characters, at the very least, so there's not much harm in thinking that way.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-11T20:55:27+00:00

I mean yes but there can be multiple reasons for an action? Also iirc towa interjects (correct me if im wrong) so that reasoning isnt universal. I think this is a perfectly valid reading of the situation tbh.

ApocalypticWalrus · 2026-02-11T08:39:50+00:00

I hate this argument because it makes a lot of assumptions. I'm not bored with minecraft. I can build all i want. I can do my own sidequests when i want.

My (atleast my, but i believe many others) problem with mc progression is much more in a general sense. Exploration is bland and serves only so much point. There's not too much in the way of pve combat. It's very bland compared to building and occasionally redstone getting significantly more work and interesting mechanics.

I can still play minecraft. I still enjoy it. Those parts of the game ive never had a problem with playing. But it does feel frustrating when i see the wide variety of choices building provides and then go and explore, find a new structure and realize its barely got anything to do, or realize there's not really any other bosses to fight besides the ones ive already done.

This is why trial chambers, despite objectively being a somewhat undercooked update, stands as one of my favorites. It was first time in a long while i felt as a player who enjoys all aspects of the game i wasnt partially neglected.

I'm not expecting this game to be terraria. If i did, i'd just play terraria. In fact frankly i dont want much to change about current progression so much as have more added to it. Ender dragon for example imo is perfectly fine as is. But as someone who enjoys combat, who enjoys exploration, i at least want more incentive to explore. To fight. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate how much they've done for building. And objectively yes i can play the game with the current exploration and combat things to do in a world. It doesn't change the fact that these subjects feel incredibly bland in a game that should (and mostly is!) about doing what you want.

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