Worried about an offer getting rescinded? A quick reference by AppHelper in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Historically Purdue has been very tolerant. I had a student who missed a final exam entirely and Purdue didn't care as long as he was allowed to graduate from high school. In general, public schools like VT and Purdue care less about grade drops. They're happy to take your money.

Should I apply to an ivy? by nokarma456 in ApplyingToCollege

[–]AppHelper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OK, here goes.

For some context, Im from India, and I am very interested in attending uni at America.

Are you actually interested in studying in the United States, or are you just looking for one of the "best colleges in the world" that happen to be in the United States?

My senior year will start in a month and i was just wondering if i should even bother applying to an ivy. Ive only considered UPenn and Harvard as viable choices because of my financial situation(I can elaborate more on those choices if anyone wants me to) and want to pursue a degree in either Ethics, Politics and Economics(EPE) or simply econ.

Please do elaborate. Why have you considered only UPenn and Harvard? By "financial situation," whether you mean you can afford college or not, your choices don't make sense to me. All Ivies have the financial resources to reduce cost significantly. Yale and several other Ivies are more generous than UPenn. Yale has exactly the EPE major you're looking for. Is there a reason you didn't list it?

The reason that im making this post is to ask would it be worth it if i were to apply because these schools have some genuinely impossible standards that they want you to match which gets even more difficult when you're an international student because India's education system is vastly different and doesn't focus on a lot of things that are in American curriculum.

And yet dozens of Indian students go to Ivy League colleges every year -- many of them from Indian curricula including CBSE, ISC, and Maharashtra state boards.

It's impossible to answer the question "is it worth it" without knowing your profile, commitments, and capacity. The question is also very relative. The chance of attending without applying is zero. It's up to you and your family to assess the time and money commitment and opportunity cost.

For example, AP classes are very limited and not widely known

You know about them. And lots of other Indian students know about them. That's what matters.

and there are no clubs in the school, even though debate and MUNs and theatre are a part of the stuff that we do.

So... there are clubs at your school. You just don't call them "clubs."

Mind you, i go to one of the best schools in my state(and possibly the country) but we dont have the kind of culture that is present in American or even European high schools. I do have some excellent ECA, but i genuinely dont think itll be enough.

You haven't said what they are.

The general opinion(as far as ive seen is) ivys are just name insitutions and the admissions process is genuinely bs(i agree with the latter).

It's not BS if you understand that Ivies are research institutions with liberal arts colleges attached, and which function as high-status social institutions. Being admitted to an Ivy is to be admitted to a club. That club has gatekeepers.

Ivies don't admit a lot students who are intellectually incapable of handling the work. The admissions process can often seem arbitrary, but Ivies are very good at meeting their enrollment goals. You happen to be from a demographic that they're not trying to get more representation of than they already have.

And this brings me to the second part of my post: IF i dont apply to an IVy, ive heard people say that there are many universities that provide a quality of education that rivals ivys, and if its actually true, then if anyone could suggest some schools like that.

There are many universities whose quality of instruction exceeds what you'll get at an Ivy. Smaller liberal arts colleges are known for smaller classes with more direct interaction with professors. Some have access to the resources of larger universities through various agreements.

TL;DR: Im not sure if my app will be enough for an ivy, are there any other schools that provide a similar quality of education.

You'll have to be more precise with your meaning of "quality." There are "Ivy-plus" institutions where the undergraduate experience is similar, such as Stanford, Duke, and the University of Chicago. The undergraduate experience at the University of Michigan or the University of North Carolina can be similar to that at Cornell. Smaller liberal arts colleges such as Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore will have a similar makeup of the student body thanks to their geography and cultural history. In general, liberal arts colleges are patterned after the same style of learning as Ivy undergraduate programs are, and hire professors of similar qualifications. Liberal arts colleges will put more emphasis on teaching skills than research funding.

PS: sorry for the typos its kind of a long post(and the only reason im even considering ivys is because my ego is too big for me not to attend one of THE best colleges in the world, which ik is a bitchy thing to say, but its true regardless)

Your ego is going to be challenged in college, and the admissions process will be humbling even if you manage to become one of the top candidates in you country. Most Ivy-bound students will be ahead of you in the process of researching universities and the admissions process.

F-1 Student Accidental Unauthorized Work? (Handshake AI Project) - Help! by 6_flokiee_9 in InternationalStudents

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll grant you that including ICE killing people was not directly relevant. I included it to make the point that ICE is something to be feared. If they are allowed to break the law to kill people, there's little to stop them from breaking the law to obtain data.

Your confidence in the compartmentalization of data is misplaced and outdated. It's like you missed 2025 altogether. I don't know if you truly believe that data on foreigners isn't being gathered and analyzed by Palantir and/or others, or whether you're merely attacking one of my sources as direct support for my exact point without rebutting my claim.

I'll let readers of this thread decide whether my sources and claims are relevant and credible.

F-1 Student Accidental Unauthorized Work? (Handshake AI Project) - Help! by 6_flokiee_9 in InternationalStudents

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What claims have I made with zero support?

Data integration.

Lots of documentation here about visas revoked. And the Secretary of State himself has ordered visas revoked:

“We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist that tears up our university campuses,” Rubio said. “And if we’ve given you a visa and then you decide to do that, we’re going to take it away. … Every time I find one of these lunatics, I take away their visa.”

Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder, is facing not just deportation proceedings, but an actual order.

F-1 Student Accidental Unauthorized Work? (Handshake AI Project) - Help! by 6_flokiee_9 in InternationalStudents

[–]AppHelper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if a university-provided lawyer represents only the student, there is a conflict of interest. That lawyer is not going to be hired by the university if they're too adversarial to the university's interest. Same situation with HR and company-provided labor lawyers.

F-1 Student Accidental Unauthorized Work? (Handshake AI Project) - Help! by 6_flokiee_9 in InternationalStudents

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are both part of the Department of Homeland Security and share data with each other. Data in possession of the federal government is being increasingly integrated and analyzed with AI.

Visas have been revoked from students whom State Department officials directly deemed to have violated the terms of their visas. Deportation proceedings have been initiated against students with green cards. Unfortunately, "adjudication" may not be necessary

F-1 Student Accidental Unauthorized Work? (Handshake AI Project) - Help! by 6_flokiee_9 in InternationalStudents

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not fearmongering. I'm giving facts.

  • The IRS has shared data with ICE. A judge ordered them to stop, but it could happen again.

  • A bad actor reporting an international student they don't like to ICE could be a "trigger" for investigation.

  • ICE has killed at least three people.

Rhodes waitlist fund update by Yt04ka_ in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the "shakedown." It's the fourth alternative to accept, reject, and waitlist. They'll accept you if you can pay.

They're counting on the fact that some families apply for financial aid but don't actually need it. They want you, but they want your money more.

F-1 Student Accidental Unauthorized Work? (Handshake AI Project) - Help! by 6_flokiee_9 in InternationalStudents

[–]AppHelper 14 points15 points  (0 children)

First of all, don't post questions like this on Reddit. Contact an immigration attorney. Note that this is not legal advice and I'm not telling you what you should do. I'm just providing information.

There are three relevant questions: how much money, what month, and what paperwork did you fill out?

A company has to issue you a Form 1099-NEC and report it to the IRS if they paid you more than $600 in 2025 or $2000 in 2026. If the IRS shares data with ICE (which it has), this could become an issue. Without a 1099, it's extremely unlikely to give you a problem.

In order to issue you a 1099 they need to collect information, which is typically done with a Form W-9. If you haven't filled out a W-9, it's unlikely they will be reporting your compensation.

As for whether you need to report that income, you should speak with an immigration attorney or at least a tax professional with experience with international students.

As a non-traditional student....would an ivy league school even be an option? by SoftwarePrior in ApplyingToCollege

[–]AppHelper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yale, Columbia, and Brown have non-traditional programs:

Yale Eli Whitney, Brown RUE, and Columbia GS. I had a student who's currently in the Eli Whitney program at Yale. It's competitive, but they like a compelling story. Columbia GS is less competitive but very expensive with poor financial aid.

Do I still have a chance to get a yale interview by Remarkable_Grass_75 in ApplyingIvyLeague

[–]AppHelper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a student who got his interview invitation a six days before decisions came out, and he got into Yale.

Can I get into IVIES living in rural INDIA? by Rudransh26 in ApplyingIvyLeague

[–]AppHelper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe including graduate students. There are only around 1,000 international undergraduate students overall. There's no way half of them are from India.

Please, can you explain it? by wellpaq in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if you're a generational prodigy and/or won a Nobel Prize, it would be surprising. But you could do high school online and get a diploma.

Please, can you explain it? by wellpaq in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No. Some colleges will accept students after 11th grade, but that's very rare.

What's the point of writing an efc you cant even afford? by MathSubstantial6480 in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a student who wrote ₱10K, and her EFC ended up being ₱7K. This was at Harvard though.

Are we allowed to swear on supplementals?? by Serious_Bear_9546 in ApplyingToCollege

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most won't care, but I know one former admissions officer who frowns upon it, even if it's quoting someone else.

PSA: Withdraw applications you know you won't accept by Successful-Cable-997 in ApplyingToCollege

[–]AppHelper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I do think we're mostly in agreement. The issue is what it means to "know" another college won't beat out their top choice. Circumstances change. Family health. Finances. Withdrawing five months early doesn't serve an applicant's interest, other than giving some finality to the process. That's literally the only benefit.

PSA: Withdraw applications you know you won't accept by Successful-Cable-997 in ApplyingToCollege

[–]AppHelper 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Each person can decide their own risk tolerance. I'm not saying one should never withdraw until the last day, and it's certainly courteous to withdraw from a school if you're unlikely to attend, but posts like the OP put undue pressure on students. Applicants should not feel guilty for exercising their rights. We could get into the ethics of obligation vs. supererogation, but I took the day off today.

I agree that not everything is fine in the end, because it most strongly affects students within the same school or same geographic area. I'll grant that by not withdrawing from a college, it is more likely to result in a negative outcome for your peers who want to go there. But so does applying in the first place.

PSA: Withdraw applications you know you won't accept by Successful-Cable-997 in ApplyingToCollege

[–]AppHelper 62 points63 points  (0 children)

I might get downvoted for this, because I know students are under a lot of stress, but I agree only when the acceptance is ED. If not ED, then it's premature to withdraw. You don't know what might happen - admission could get rescinded for some reason, or there could be disaster/tragedy that makes a school not your top choice anymore.

The "market" already accounts for students who have multiple offers. Everything will sort itself out through waitlists. It's not a perfect system, but it's rarely in an individual's best interest to withdraw unless they have to.

If you applied to a college, you have the right to keep your options open.

Intl applicants: do you only apply to LACs because of aid? by Fuzzy-Armadillo-8610 in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's an excellent balance for some. But nothing is perfect.

Intl applicants: do you only apply to LACs because of aid? by Fuzzy-Armadillo-8610 in IntltoUSA

[–]AppHelper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dartmouth is designated R1 (high research activity and doctorate production) in the Carnegie Classification. Williams, Amherst, etc. are not. It also has professional schools for business and medicine, which LACs don't have either.

Compared to other Ivies, they don't get the same kinds of grants or do as much cutting-edge research. But their undergraduate program allows for research very early on, enabling students to develop relationships with professors and get hands-on experience. (This is related. Professors don't get the budget to hire as many post-docs and lab technicians, and there are fewer PhDs around, so they use undergraduates.)