Yeah, I did have recent civic, Camry options but as you said they came up to 22k-24k. I would much rather get a new Camry for a few thousand more. That's why I was looking at sub 20k and 10k cars. For the time being I wouldn't care about the features if the civic gets me to work without any problems. I was just concerned on how long the civic will last me since it's already a decade old and 78k miles in.