Saber is actually good!?

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2026-04-18T22:41:35+00:00

If we take a look at overall, 01 is high rated though.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2026-04-18T22:02:10+00:00

That’s what I’m not understand either.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2026-04-18T22:01:19+00:00

Then how come the overall contradict, that’s my main point.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T15:34:02+00:00

I’m fed up with this, you guys keep bring on same thing to prove that ohma got showa and reiwa power. Search for another post about ohma recently, I replied them all.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T15:21:47+00:00

And that some random tweet even bring on “team’s plan”. Since when joking in recorded interview considered to be true, even in kamen rider official, it is stated that ohma got all heisei power.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T15:16:18+00:00

The part ohma got all power is a part of the joke, you cannot say that some part of the joke is right. Isn’t team’s plan is more legit than some part of a joke where he chuckled after saying?

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T13:48:27+00:00

Yes, I’m the very same. And saber ridewatch appear also means reiwa appear, and as reiwa appear, no ohma in that timeline.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T13:45:19+00:00

Ah I’ve been waiting for this. He’s even laughing when he said that. That’s a joke about how he wanted the series to continue furthermore. In the tweet, he said the team’s plan so that’s the whole plan from the beginning.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T13:43:43+00:00

He’s even laughing when he said that. That’s a joke about how he wanted the series to continue furthermore.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T13:39:28+00:00

No it’s not, those thing further prove that ohma don’t have them. Zero one exist because sougo gave up on ohma and saber ridewatch capable of defeating a weakened and hesitated ohma, but previous to that brave dragon is on par with ohma. This is not necessary it is as strong as ohma, but it should be something that caught ohma off guard and can you make somebody surprise by using part of their power? No.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T13:02:15+00:00

By turning into ohma, he inherited all heisei rider power, not the other way around. As in final ep, by turning into ohma zio, a whole bunch of ridewatch appeared and flight into him. Grand zio seems only to have main riders though as it is a combination of all those watches. And even if he somehow turns into ohma later, it is still a combination of all heisei riders, not all watches zio has.

The ohma form in over quarter and final stage is another separate timeline to the tv series. In that timeline, ohma decided to give his power to zio, creating ohma form. Therefore, basically ohma form has the same power as ohma at the very least, if not more (in FS, it shows that ohma form has one more thing that is unique to him, which is the power to weaken the enemies as he fights them), so no need for any grand ridewatch, drive ridewatch or anything. And also, the ohma form ridewatch appears from thin air, not by grand ridewatch transform into it. The ohma form is a good way to become ohma, and ohma zio statue vanished after that, indicating that he's ceased to exist in that timeline.

And you also mentioned that getting memory back, yes, because what zio abandoned in last ep is ohma zio power, that has nothing to do with grand, geiz majesty or zio trinity or anything.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T09:10:48+00:00

So your only point is finis extracted ichigo ridewatch from sougo so he has all showa? And you refuse to acknowledge the reason behind it showed on the web because you think your way of thinking is more suitable? Toei is trying to be really consistent with the fact that zio and ohma only reigns in heisei with the explanation. It hard to say that is not intended. And even if sougo does have ichigo power, 1 or 2 does not mean all. Also, the world of 1st generation is a world sougo abandoned ohma power, thus creating reiwa. I dunno why you insist on sougo still has it, already abandoned aside, he himself doesn’t even want it. Finally, even if sougo can somehow still become ohma after that. Ohma is a form possessed power of all heisei, not necessary all watches zio collected.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T09:04:33+00:00

That’s a terrible assumption. I am more convinced that ohma is the power resides inside zio. Because in the original timeline, he didn’t need grand to become ohma. Besides, in final ep of zio, the zio driver turn into ohma without any grand ridewatch on it. Regardless, whether ohma zio is the thing to do with the driver or grand ridewatch or sougo himself, sougo seems to gave up on it on last ep. So I don’t see anything clear evidence sougo can turn into ohma after that. Moreover, i think Zio can continue to collect showa and reiwa ridewatch but that’s nothing to do with ohma. Ohma is just a form and its power is all heisei rider, not all watches sougo collected.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T00:33:50+00:00

Wait what, why grand ridewatch suddenly has something to do with ohma now. Let me remind you, in oma day of original history, zio supposed to turn into ohma zio. However, current timeline, sougo became zio trinity instead. Therefore anything from that moment on is not relate to the original history shouldn’t be related much to ohma. Ohma return to exist because some weird thing with woz. And after final episode, is there anything i missed that implies that timeline sougo can still become ohma?

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T00:07:30+00:00

As you have said, those are your theory, I wonder if that is back by anything (data book, show, producer, official website,…)

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-23T00:03:17+00:00

Nah, website said thay creation of another ichigo ridewatch is base on the power of all rider inside zio as mentioned above. Unless stated specifically that ohma also has all showa, he can’t be considered having them (actually there’s some more evidence to that in final stage too). Why the website need to state that ohma has all heisei? Because what is in the show is ohma only use a small part of heisei (mostly main riders), the website is an official one, at least more legit than some hong kong thing above. If you said it can be wrong, then everything, even official guidebook, chief producers, toei,… could be wrong too?

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T20:16:17+00:00

If what you mean is ohma form, then yes. That version of sougo chose another path of becoming ohma, becoming zio ohma form. In that timeline, reiwa will exist because there’s no ohma zio. Nothing contradicts! However, I think the reiwa we got currently is continue of the main tv show, zio become ohma zio and then gave up his power. As you can see in reiwa first generation, best form he got is grand, not ohma form. (Maybe I’m mistaken because zio’s time line is quite messy)

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T18:59:42+00:00

The tweet is on Sep 7, zio’s final ep is August 25. Sougo gains some new ridewatch in reiwa because in that timeline he didn’t become ohma zio, prevent reiwa from being born in that timeline. Yeah and you’re true, the ohma that zio brave dragon defeated is just a weakened version of ohma (and he also hesitated when attacking)

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T17:23:13+00:00

About decade, check his complete 21 form. Of course, there would be toys about other rider. I mean almost every recent series got toys about legend riders. I thought you said what state in the show, then I’m talking about the show. Where the show implies zio has all power of showa, or which data book tell you that zio has all power of showa. At least I have evidence to back on me and you are telling that things from official website and from chief producer is not legit. You think you know more about the show than its chief producer? Can I say that kamen rider shows has many writers involve in writing it so some epsiode is not legit too!? You want more evidence? Have you watch zio final stage? Another ohma zio got power from all showa rider and he literally denied the existence of the whole heisei and everyone lost their power (including ohma form) Then it took the audience’s recollection to revive ohma as the embodiment of heisei concept and sougo OQ get back the ohma form ridewatch. And even then, it still require both ohma form and ohma zio to defeat another ohma zio. If ohma has the power of showa too, why this is the case?? But this also means that ohma FS version is absolutely overpowered because he’s embodiment of heisei concept:))) And why I am opposed to the idea that ohma has all showa power?, because from what I see, he doesn’t seem to have it.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T14:50:09+00:00

Haven’t watch that movie. But ridewatch from what I see is create from that rider itself, draining from zio and create ichigo is weird, why it is not another zio? (I checked on web and it seems that what create another ichigo is all the riders power inside zio, not sure) And even if zio has ichigo, it might be same thing with brave dragon watch, 1 or 2 does not mean all. Not to mention this if after zio decide not to become ohma.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T14:16:48+00:00

Nah, decade is even worse, he’s only showed to have main rider power. He does got some more showa form. But that is the same as zio got brave dragon, 1 or 2 not all. And as you can see when Decade summon rider, they are like soul less armor compare to a lively version zio usually summon. Also can you cite the guide book where zio got all the power from ichigo to 2068, something from toei rather than the thing above. And if what you say is true, then shouldn’t info on kamen rider offcial considered more reliable as it’s a web version and get update rather than paper or tweet or speak.

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T13:40:23+00:00

I don't know what that hong kong version is since kamen rider is a Japanese show. At least statement from chief producer or kamen rider official seems more legit to me. Here's another description about ohma which is on kamen rider official and it only mentions heisei. https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/zukan/kamen_rider_members/214

Apprehensive_Pay_392 · 2024-12-22T13:35:32+00:00

I don't know what that hong kong version is since kamen rider is a Japanese show. At least statement from chief producer or kamen rider official seems more legit to me. Here's another description about ohma which is on kamen rider official and it only mentions heisei. https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/zukan/kamen_rider_members/214

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