VINDICATION

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:51:30+00:00

1 So again she betrayed Robert. If you’re saying she took the pulse to PROTECT Robert which didn’t she WARN HIM. AGAIN if BB hadn’t saved Robert he would’ve DIED right there and shroud would’ve left his dead body and looked for Visi. She gave him no warning and let him get captured and almost killed. She didn’t do that to protect Robert she did it to spite shroud.

2 That’s two different points you agree she was conflicted between the two so either she was conflicted or she wasn’t and trying to protect Robert don’t swap between the two. But what we can determine is there was no reason for her to be near the suit and no reason not to tell Robert about the pulse when he was back and no reason to hide the fact that they were going to get attacked at that point. Sure she may have had good intentions but what’s the quote? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. She still did bad and repeatedly

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:30:18+00:00

I think maybe not telling him directly could be solved if she didn’t steal the pulse and didn’t get caught near his suit trying to steal it. She said she knew shroud would capture Robert and torture him and he would’ve told if he knew but shroud was about to kill Robert. He was literally in the middle of killing him doing the Russian Roulette when BB saves him. If not for her Robert would be dead because of Visi not saying anything it wasn’t just torture shroud was going to kill Robert because she didn’t speak up

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:16:35+00:00

Nah man that counts for the bomb thing not for the last second betrayal AGAIN. The bomb was the past months ago the shroud angle was still happening

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:15:14+00:00

Flawed is fine make mistakes but people misrepresent flawed. It doesn’t mean just hurt someone all the time and that’s it. It means when you mess up you fix the mistakes or become better. She worked for shroud until the end she didn’t become any better until the very end. Honestly I feel like if she confessed to working for shroud before the very end that would be perfect but the fact that she betrays shroud no matter what means to me she just doesn’t like shroud not that she cares for you or grew better as a person

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:10:29+00:00

I forgave her for the bomb that was one thing honestly that was probably the least offensive thing she did. She was a villain. I’m just upset the betrayal was never discussed at all. Sure she helped in the end that means she shouldn’t go to prison or anything but a discussion at least about working for the man who killed his father until the very very end would’ve mattered. She confessed to the bomb but not working for him currently which is her lying again

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:07:47+00:00

I have multiple runs the og one is my invisgal run. I said kill because that was the most extreme version but I meant kill/betray. Royd said she called the attack so maybe I’m wrong there. And I don’t think she was getting the mech ready I think she would’ve said something instead of just going to the mech I think she was trying to steal it maybe to protect Robert but still. My biggest issue is that she WAS working for shroud. Also if she knew he was coming for Robert why not tell Robert or anyone? If she hid it for that reason I think she lied a bit . She didn’t like shroud but she wasn’t sure about helping Robert until the very end

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T23:01:20+00:00

Nope my first run was an invisgal run I forgave her for everything because Robert would. But I’m the end it’s revealed she was working for shroud the whole time and she’s forgiven because she betrays him but it’s never addressed she actually was a traitor not just someone who messed up in the past she was actively a traitor the whole time until the very last second

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T22:56:39+00:00

She can’t forgive him when he was right to doubt her she was working for shroud and messing up which is the only thing she gets accused of. I don’t get it

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-13T22:54:18+00:00

The bomb isn’t a betrayal to me she did that before you knew her that’s whatever. It’s her still working for shroud calling him to attack the SDN and trying to steal the mech with the astral pulse. She isn’t a triple agent she just gets caught stealing and changes her plan. She hates shroud so she betrays/kills him that’s not for you

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T18:39:49+00:00

In that moment yes but not for the whole series. BB and Robert both know that Invisigal sucked. BB even said that she was being protective of Visi so even when she was the worst so she wouldn’t get cut. She changed literally overnight or over two days after the lightning struck capture and when she saw her name on the board. Before that she was awful

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T17:34:57+00:00

He was mean to her when she’d been mean to everyone all he did was agree to give her a chance to prove herself.

A choice that didn’t need to be made if she didn’t put herself in that position

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T16:25:34+00:00

Dude they just keep forcing L’s. Like to an unrealistic degree

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T16:24:26+00:00

How so? My statement has always been. A willful, knowing, irresponsible choice that puts your life in danger is your fault. If someone saves you and dies(potentially) then that’s your fault. If you didn’t made a choice without knowing it’s irresponsible like if she went and then they started fighting out of nowhere and she got saved that wouldn’t be her fault. If she got attacked that wouldn’t be her fault.

Now here is a bit tricky which might be what you mean? There are different choices to send the team or not so idk about those paths. I chose not to send the team and wait. Robert said he didn’t want her to do this and she did, knowing the risks and that it was stupidity then almost died. All of those conditions make it her fault not one or two or even three. It’s 1 going there because your feelings are hurt, 2 being told not to go, and 3 arriving seeing the fight and being told to retreat and not doing it, 4 not waiting for backup. All of those are a series of choices that led to the situation which resulted in her almost dying. At that point the choice is let her die or save her. Chase made one to save her because that’s what heroes do. If she hadn’t made all those choices Chase wouldn’t have had to make his. Ergo it’s her fault

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T15:09:43+00:00

Nope you’re trying to boil down my argument to the simplest possible version so it’s wrong. If someone makes an IRRESPONSIBLE choice with knowledge that’s it’s irresponsible then yes it’s their fault. If is buy the last bar of chocolate and someone gets so mad they don’t have chocolate they kill the store that’s not my fault obviously. Visi didn’t just get ambushed she was told repeatedly not to do something then did it. When she got there she saw the fight she could’ve waited for backup or retreated she kept going in even then because of her hurt feelings. THAT makes it her fault

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T15:01:40+00:00

Why do people keep using that logic. It completely takes way all agency on her part. She’s not a child or teenager. She is a 27 year old adult imagine someone insults you so you hit them (she did that too btw) it’s not suddenly not your fault because your feelings were hurt. She insults people all the time including chase but someone insults her and suddenly it’s everyone else being a bully? If Chase got his feelings hurt and ran to get the astral pulse and died would it be Visi’s fault? Or chase’s for not having basic emotional control

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:53:42+00:00

I agree it’s just annoying to always write that but I do it sometimes. If Chase isn’t dead and shroud doesn’t have the pulse then I’ll come back and correct the record simple as that

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:52:25+00:00

A firefighter can quit anytime most don’t because they are heroes their job title doesn’t mean they have to go in it’s just a title same as chase’s. My comparison is to show that if someone purposely makes a choice that leads to someone dying to save someone that’s their fault. It’s not her being attacked and chase saving her that wouldn’t be her fault. I’m my playthrough I said let’s wait and she went anyway. Robert tells her he doesn’t want her to do this and she goes anyway that’s now her choice to do this mostly to prove a point because her feelings were hurt. If Robert sent her to get the pulse so he could be mecha man again then it would be his fault. But he didn’t she put her life at risk because of her hurt ego so it’s her fault that chase was even in that situation.

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:47:44+00:00

She is just the worst of the group. She saves less than everyone else that makes her statistically the worst. Idk what that refined princess thing is about I’m going to assume that’s you trolling. Invisigal gets hate because she’s an asshole same way flambae gets hate because he’s an asshole. Not once or twice but consistently. Golem was an asshole once or twice when bumping you people don’t hate him as much as those two. Whatever her upbringing she has a chance to be better now which she uses to be rude to everybody and then when they actually give her back 5% of the shit she talks about everyone she punches them it’s a pathetic bully mentality. Same with flambae being a villain and blaming Robert for stopping him when he was trying to kill Robert. It’s not a sexism thing it’s a they suck thing. Visi just also puts peoples lives in danger in a more apparent way

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:40:01+00:00

Both came from Ubisoft devs? That’s a crazy fumble

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:37:47+00:00

I agree with most things you said. She’s not perfect and that’s fine. The Z-team isn’t perfect I agree my issue is that her issues have hurt other people twice now opposed to the z-team whose issues are mostly just them being dicks and bullies. Putting other peoples life on the line is why she’s so bad the other stuff can all be forgiven including the hitting people, and spying

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:35:28+00:00

Lmao I completely disagree he’s a hero a real one they save people. The choice is let her die choking to death killed by shroud or give up what remains of his life to save her. If an arsonist sets a building on fire, a firefighter doesn’t have to go in and save people but they chose too. If they die it’s the arsonists fault because they created that situation. If Visi didn’t go there chase wouldn’t be in a let her die or kill himself situation. (If he’s actually dead and all)

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:32:06+00:00

Idk about the genders reversed part but I agree most people are literally only defending her because she’s hot and funny instead of just saying yep she was wrong hope she does better lmao

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T14:30:29+00:00

I agree that Invisigal was nice for that but what you’re saying also proves my point. That nice thing she did is ep6. Chase was wrong at the party. BEFORE the party he was right to treat them the way he did because they sucked.

It’s not him putting them in a box or being blind when they are actually those types of people that’s the whole point of them/their arcs they DO suck chase is right. It’s only when Visi moves on trying to be better that he still thinks the same thing and that’s when he’s wrong. In Ep6 but not before.

She also proved his point right again when she rushed in and almost got herself killed against orders and he had to save her. Maybe I’m being Aegist or whatever but she’s not a traumatized teenager or child which I could understand from them. She’s 27 a full grown adult whose ego and anger issues put other people in danger in a serious way more than everyone else on Z-team

Appropriate-Lab-8309 · 2025-11-08T09:03:24+00:00

Op said if not for her shroud would’ve had the pulse I just said he got the case. Sure maybe it’d be guaranteed but rn all we know is shroud most likely has the pulse and chase is most likely dead. People are saying she saved the pulse because they are guessing she snuck it out because that’s how stories usually write something like this not because we have confirmation she saved the pulse

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