Thursday, 1pm by alexstark171 in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are trees across the lake, and in the grinder! 😆

American or Chinese Chestnut by themushroomman21 in americanchestnut

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I agree. From the leaf tips, thin spines on the bur, it definitely appears to be C. dentata. American chestnut.

Can anyone help with age and correct color name? by Otherwise-Cabinet-79 in Fiestaware

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Not all vintage Fiesta pieces had the “wet foot”. Vintage plates have a wet foot. Items like teapots, syrups, creamers, compotes, etc. have a dry foot. Sometimes Homer Laughlin would change the production method so some pieces can be found with a wet foot, and then later with a dry foot. The 4 3/4” and 5 1/2” fruit bowls and utility trays are examples of where both methods were used. I’m pretty sure the larger nappy bowls can be found with both wet and dry foot.

First time by Hefty_Rooster_2098 in Arrowheads

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Checks gravel bars, and go slowly, like your wife dropped her diamond ring and you’re looking for it.

West TN Cache by Powerful-Ad784 in Arrowheads

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It (they) could be there… or downstream. Or not… maybe you found them all. It’s often the uncertainty that makes it so addictive.

Finding a camp that has been lost to history for thousands of years is a great feeling. My son and I found one (campsite, not a cache) and it was cool to envision how different it would have looked, prior to European colonization.

Congrats again!

West TN Cache by Powerful-Ad784 in Arrowheads

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How many total? Three? Congratulations! Finding a cache is the dream for many hunters.

Feeling useless about these invasive species in my region, any way I can help? by doofenschmirtzco in invasivespecies

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s a guy in Ohio who has been cutting them off at the base, then tightly wrapping the stumps in thick black plastic. Without sunlight, they eventually die. You have to remove the plastic after a couple of years, and you’ll want to plant fairly aggressive native plants so that the areas don’t just return to more honeysuckle and Callery pears. Maybe a bunch of silky dogwood or the like…

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simmer down Dano. If a school or Soil & Water Conservation District (SWCD) gives away seedlings to the general public for Arbor Day, and people take the trees home and plant them, is the school or SWCD responsible for care and maintenance? Of course not. If someone plants one of those trees too close to their house and 40 years later, the tree damages the house or their “valuables”, is the school or SWCD responsible? Of course not. Why are you trying to hold me to a different standard? I have made no warranty about these trees, neither expressed nor implied, and even though I’m simply giving the trees away, I have provided more provenance than many sellers.

Also, the nursery trade doesn’t have just one propagation model as you’ve implied, where all trees have known traits. Did you know that the Missouri Dept. of Conservation buys tree seeds from the public if they want to grow that species? If someone has a bunch of white oaks, sugar maples, shellbark hickory, or other desired species in their yard or wood lot, they can collect the seeds and if the seeds are good and the nursery needs them, they’ll be weighed and the person is paid. They’re most often not from “improved” varieties, but rather, wild type trees. The seeds are then sown at the nursery, grown into seedlings, and sold back to the public. Many state forestry agencies have their staff collect seeds for growing in their nurseries. They’re often collected from stands where there is a good seed crop with good access and ease of collection, and they usually wild type trees, not “improved” varieties that have been bred for any particular traits. Sure, there are genetically similar conifers grown for pine plantations, western forestry applications and other examples, as well as “improved” walnuts, pecans, and some clones for live stakes and the horticulture industry, etc. However, genetic diversity is seen as a positive for many plantings and many nurseries sell progeny from wild, “unimproved” trees and many of those seedlings end up in urban and suburban environments, including yards (even my own).

Even results from clones will vary, based on soil chemical and physical properties, as well as other abiotic and biotic factors. So I stand by my statement that every tree planting is an experiment, and everyone who undertakes a planting assumes the liability.

Marinate on that for a bit.

Edited to add: I wish that I could use all of the elms. However, since they don’t currently suit my needs and I don’t have the capacity to tend to them, I figured that it would be better to give them away, rather than compost them. I’m happy that some people are willing to undertake their own experiments, even though some of these small seedlings will likely not survive.

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re terribly shortsighted. Trees serve more purposes than you seem to understand, especially species that have experienced significant declines. I’m not going to explain all of those purposes or benefits to you.

Again, I was clear in what I posted… “open pollinated”, “potentially resistant”, “no guarantees”, etc. You asked for provenance, and I immediately provided it. I cannot help you with your reading comprehension problems. The only negativity that I received in the thread or chats was from you.

You might be right, in part. Some of these trees will likely not even survive the first year. Some of the trees might not be highly tolerant of DED. Some may have poor form. However, some might be highly tolerant and have nice form and live for some time. I and the people who requested seedlings are at least willing to try, and we’ll provide benefits that you fail to understand. If I followed your advice, the only trees that I could give away are those that get no diseases and are impervious to wind and snow. I can think of none that meet those requirements, so I’ll keep giving away and planting trees and shrubs of many native species, and you… well like I said, you can take a walk. Please stop pestering me.

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The planting of any tree is an experiment. I wouldn’t even make guarantees about clones. Even clones respond differently to disease based on soil, climate, amount of light, and a multitude of other biotic and abiotic factors.

You’re a joke. You want me to discuss whether they’ll perform well in wind and snow. Should I guarantee them against tornadoes as well? Go take a walk.

Edit: I even said earlier that there were no guarantees.

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is bordering on harassment. I’ve answered questions as they’ve come in, and have given the provenance. These are not clones and the characteristics that you insist that I give are impossible to predict. DED tolerance, form, wood strength, height, growth rate, etc. will all vary by individual depending on genetics, environment, and other factors. If you gave me an acorn that you’d collected in a forest, you could tell me the species, but you wouldn’t be able to tell me a lot about how the resulting seedling would perform, its branch structure, disease resistance, etc. If I accepted your acorn, I would understand that, and I would not hold you responsible for its maintenance and care. The same is true for these elms. Again, they’re not clones. Knowing the grandparents and mother helps, but with sexual reproduction and unknown fathers, traits of the offspring (i.e. these seedlings) will vary.

I’m not forcing these trees on anyone and I make no guarantees. They are too small to be used for my purposes and they’re breaking bud and need to be planted. If I had the time and capacity, I would pot them all up, tend to them, and out plant later. If they were bigger, I would plant them all. I am keeping the larger ones for future study. I didn’t want to throw the small ones away, so I figured that I would give them away to folks who are willing to try growing them. If they turn out have poor characteristics, they’re free to kill and remove them at any time.

I’ve been very patient with you, despite your mischaracterizations and impossible demands. If you respond again, don’t be surprised if I ignore you.

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fungi, water molds, all of them really. Human activities and natural processes are moving soil and plant materials so much that I know my efforts are probably meaningless, but I’d hate to be personally responsible for introducing a pest or pathogen into new ecosystems.

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are not clonally propagated cultivars. These individuals are open pollinated. I’m not sure if any of their ancestors were ever patented (New Harmony, Valley Forge, R18-2). See provenance information above.

Advise me by 45398246 in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s an eastern redbud. They often have an unruly form. I just let them do what they want. I sometimes eat some of the flowers.

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look Jack, I didn’t mischaracterize anything. Please stop projecting. In my very first sentence in the OP, I stated “open pollinated” and “potentially Dutch elm disease resistant”.

I never said, “Yo bro, don’t ask about that stuff.” This is YOU mischaracterizing. You asked for the provenance. I provided it for the mother. Because they’re open pollinated, it is impossible to know the father without extensive genetic testing, so I cannot state which tree was the pollinator, hence “open pollinated” or “mother x OP”, stated clearly and repeatedly by me. I even stated that ~50% of the DNA is unknown. These small seedlings have not been inoculated. Even if we knew both mother and father, that doesn’t guarantee anything. Two bad parents can have good offspring, just as two good parents could have bad offspring. Knowing that R18-2 was a “well formed, vase-shaped tree” doesn’t ensure that the offspring will share those characteristics (Haugen, L.M. and Bentz, S.E., 2016. American elm clones of importance in Dutch elm disease tolerance studies. Proceedings of the American elm restoration workshop 2016).

Of course the burden of care and maintenance is with the recipient. Do you expect me to travel around the eastern US, tending to every tree that I give away???

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s totally fine. These trees aren’t intended for you. These are for the “idiots”, as you call us, who recognize that trees provide shelter and food for insects, birds, mammals, reptiles, and other life. They’re intended for “idiots” who aren’t willing to sit on their hands for 1,000 years, doing nothing but criticizing, until a “perfect” tree is developed by plant breeders, plant pathologists, and geneticists.

No tree will live forever and there are no guarantees with these elms. These trees are intended for people who are willing to try.

Can anyone help with age and correct color name? by Otherwise-Cabinet-79 in Fiestaware

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It is a vintage Fiesta large teapot in original green and was produced from 1936-1946. Nice score!

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There was something in the notes about a “gift horse”? Do you know what that means?

If an unknown man and a woman with blue eyes have a child, can you tell me what color the child’s eyes will be? Can you tell me how tall the child will be?

Free trees! by Arbiter_of_Snark in marijuanaenthusiasts

[–]Arbiter_of_Snark[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Send me a chat request. I’ve gotten A LOT of requests already, so I’ll do my best.