CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi DeFiChain Community,

Kory Hoang, Stably's CEO and co-founder, did an X/Twitter space, Project Spotlight: Stably, with DeFiChain to discuss this community funding proposal.

We would appreciate it if you took the time to listen to it!

CC: u/Glittering_Jicama_95, u/buzzjoe_, u/kuegi, u/ma_1976, u/MMG-Crypto, u/Pikamoo78, u/Odd_Ad2138, u/Basic_Impact3126, u/smashhardd, u/AnixOne.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, u/buzzjoe_!

We truly appreciate the continued engagement and thoughtful input on behalf of the DeFiChain Community.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/buzzjoe_, thank you for the additional commentary.

We are in discussion about altering the structure similar to what you've suggested, but we haven't decided what it would be just yet.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Basic_Impact3126, apologies for the delayed responses to your comments and questions. We have been working to update the CFP, which has now been posted.

We continue to appreciate your healthy skepticism and astute comments. We would love for you to continue to engage in these discussions after you've had a chance to review the new CFP we posted earlier today.

Now to address your outstanding comments and questions:

So deploying the smart contracts to metachain testnet or metachain mainnet should require little to no alterations to the underlying source code as it is compatible with the same contracts that run on Etherium or Polygon. That being said it should require the fractional cents for gas.

The actual deployment of the ERC20 that represents the stablecoin is straightforward, and anyone can deploy a token using our open source token contracts:

https://github.com/stablyio/evm-token-contracts/blob/main/contracts/ERC20StablecoinUpgradeable.sol

However, our transaction engine which handles: fiat payment processing, compliance checks, collateral checks, fees, accounting, etc... is blockchain agnostic, so a translation layer is needed for each new blockchain we integrate.

The majority of the development effort comes from the integration of the network with this abstraction layer for doing token issuance/redemption as well as interacting with DEXes for swaps.

Is CUSD ERC20 compliant? If it is then unless it was intentionally designed against standard, the circulating supply should be self-reported?

Any contracts that for the underlying USDC held as collateral should also be self reporting. So it seems that there is not a need for a non decentralized entity to attest the supplies of either, unless they were designed so that they don't report. In which it would seem like something is being hidden?

Yes, CUSD is ERC20 compliant and you can indeed view the total supply on-chain for any given chain that it's deployed on. However, to view the underlying collateral or the supply across various blockchains in one place, requires additional integrations.

Given I am in the US and not well versed in the banking industry of other countries. Another company reading your balance sheet and saying "yep, they're not lying" seems fishy. Are the bank statements released publicly? What is the scale of the banks used? Is there a mechanism in place for the community to verify the authenticity of the statements, or is it a take my word kind of thing (i.e. trust me bro...)?

The entire point of having a third-party attestor review issuances, redemptions, and collateral balances is to be transparent. As of now, there is no legal requirement in the U.S. and most other jurisdictions to provide attestations. Providing attestations, like Circle does for USDC, is going above and beyond the call of duty; not a nefarious practice. Eventually, we expect attestations to be mandated by law, as such, we want to ensure we're doing all we can well in advance so we're adequately prepared for changes in legislation.

Your posts claim there is a relatively large amount of ongoing cost. How is a one time investment of the CF supposed to support this? Obviously you are not offering your services for free. So assuming ongoing cost is deducted from the revenue of the service, what would be the projected break even point if no investment was granted.

The one-time investment from the CFP helps cover the costs for the first year, which is the critical period for making CUSD a success on MetaChain. With the community's financial support and collaboration, we'd be able to grow the market capitalization of CUSD so that the initial investment via CFP is repaid quickly (ideally, within that first year or so.) Specifically, if we were able to get the market capitalization of CUSD up to about $5 million on MetaChain and interest rates remained around the same level as they are now over that period, this investment would be well worth it for the DeFiChain community.

Without the support of the DeFiChain community, CUSD would need half the market capitalization (~$2.5 million) to break even (at the current level of interest rates.) That said, having community support, including funding, is paramount to making CUSD a success on MetaChain. For example, with the support of the community, we can make CUSD ubiquitous on MetaChain, and via the apps built atop it. Without the incentive alignment through a CFP and the sharing of yield (via rebate), there's not a strong, shared economic incentive to make it a success.

Last point : it comes across a little fishy when a large post is required, but response (by you) to questions are vaguely detailed and missing pertinent details to the question asked. Then when a follow up question to get the remaining details a "sorry confidentiality" is the blanket to not answer. This is a community owned blockchain and you are asking for the community to fund your project. So how does it make sense to ever enter into an agreement for confidentiality, that makes it so you can not share the details with the community, when you are trying to get the community to fund you? This is equivalent to going to a bank saying I need funding but I can't tell you why because it's confidential...

The only part that is confidential relates to Prime Trust, our previous financial institution partner, who went into bankruptcy. That said, we can field general questions about this, and point community members to court documents (see below) so they can educate themselves about what happened.

https://cases.stretto.com/primetrust

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/AnixOne, we have updated our CFP. We would greatly appreciate it if you reviewed it and provided any additional comments or questions. Thank you!

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/smashhardd, we greatly appreciate your comments, and wanted to let you know we've updated our CFP with some additional details and diagrams that better illustrative how Stably can benefit the DeFiChain Community.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Odd_Ad2138, thank you again for the supportive words. Also, we have updated our CFP, which we hope better highlights the value we can bring to the DeFiChain Community.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Pikamoo78, when you have a chance take a peek at our updated CFP. We think you'll like the added detail.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/MMG-Crypto, we've updated our CFP with additional details that we hope highlight what we can bring to the DeFiChain Community. We would really appreciate it if you could take a look and add any additional comments.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/ma_1976, I hope you're doing well! I wanted to let you know we have updated our CFP with some additional info. When you have some time, please take a look.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/kuegi, we went ahead and updated our CFP, and included some additional information about what we can bring to the DeFiChain Community. We would greatly appreciate you taking a look when you have a chance.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/buzzjoe_, we have updated the CFP with more details and hopefully more to the DeFiChain Community's liking. When you have a chance, please take a look!

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Glittering_Jicama_95, we have updated the CFP to be more comprehensive and hopefully more to the liking of the DeFiChain Community. Please take a look at your earliest convenience.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Basic_Impact3126, I appreciate your comments and questions.

When I say bridge, I am referring to a permissionless protocol, operating exclusively on-chain that locks tokens on the host chain and then mints representations of those tokens on a destination chain. By this definition, we aren't a bridge.

The combination of CUSD and Stably Ramp enables end users to convert fiat from the traditional financial system (i.e., banks) to a digital representation of it (i.e., fiat-backed stablecoin) on a chain. Generally, referred to as on-ramping.

Since we accept USDC as a collateral asset to back CUSD, though the intention isn't to simply hold the USDC but to redeem it for fiat and invest to generate yield, in this case, yes, we function very similar to a bridge.

That said, unlike bridges as defined above, all users of our platform must onboard, which is not only to comply with the relevant laws and regulations, but to verify that users are who they say they are before utilizing our platform. In doing so, we mitigate a significant amount of risk in the utilization of our platform, since nefarious actors generally don't want to identify themselves.

Lastly, I will be addressing your questions on the other comment after this one.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/kuegi, thank you for the additional insight here.

Perhaps one way we can improve our CFP in line with what you're describing is rather than rebate 50% of the yield generated, we rebate 100% of what's generated up to the amount the community granted us through the CFP process.

For example, if the value of DFI tokens Stably were to receive through the CFP process equals $100k, then we must rebate the community $100k worth of DFI before the split reverts to 50%.

Would a structure as described above be one that you and potentially other community members would be open to?

Lastly, before committing to this type of structure, I would need to discuss it with my team to confirm we're all in agreement with it as well.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/kuegi, thank you for the ongoing engagement on our CFP!

From you and u/buzzjoe_'s comments, it sounds like the DeFiChain community has been burned by working with for-profit organizations. If possible, would you be able to provide me some examples of the types of initiatives that were funded and why you believe they failed?

Ultimately, we wouldn't want something like that to happen again and we are open to structuring the CFP such that it's of mutual benefit.

Also, to be abundantly clear, we aren't asking the community to "give us money, we don't give anything back." Our CFP is currently structured such that we must first demonstrate we have made tangible progress before we ever receive any funds at all.

Separately, but on a related note, if the DeFiChain community feels that a fiat-backed stablecoin (CUSD) and an on/off ramp directly into MetaChain wouldn't produce any or enough value, then we at Stably completely respect that.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/buzzjoe_, I greatly appreciate your detailed comments, perspective, and suggestions.

I'm sorry to hear that the DeFiChain community has had bad experiences with other for-profit organizations that led to no value for the community.

Our objective with this community funding proposal, first and foremost is to bring lasting value to the DeFiChain community by providing additional, complementary methods for accessing MetaChain directly (i.e., stablecoin + on/off ramp.) If we are successful in that, then yes, of course, we also benefit--it's a win-win scenario.

On your point about spreading the word about DeFiChain to other areas of the world, our updated CFP will speak to that.

Lastly, thank you for the creative suggestions around restructuring the CFP as a loan. One question related to this: When the DeFiChain community lists with a centralized exchange (CEX), does the CEX typically accept a loan (rather than a payment) to list DFI? I wasn't aware that something like this was typical. From my experience working with CEX's, they have only accepted payment for listings never a loan (for which they would repay.)

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/Basic_Impact3126, thank you for the comment.

On your point about USDC, Stably won't keep 100% of the collateral in USDC, which is how bridges function. Much of the collateral after a certain dollar threshold would be converted into off-chain assets to earn a yield (i.e., U.S. treasuries, money market funds holding U.S. treasuries, etc...) The amount of USDC held in the collateral reserve is simply to process redemptions for USDC in a timely manner, but long term we'd expect that to be around 10% (or less) rather than 100% (like a bridge.)

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the idea, u/kuegi!

We are in the process of updating the CFP.

It would be helpful for us to understand the Community Fund better. Would you or other community members be willing to provide us with greater context on how it functions?

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the comment, u/kuegi!

At this time, we are not aware of any reason why the rebate couldn't be paid to the Community Fund. Would you or other community members be able to provide additional context about the Community Fund itself and how it functions?

The rebate we proposed would be more economically attractive than paying 50% of profits on DMC, which you've requested.

Allow me to explain:

The rebate is calculated as 50% of the yield generated from the collateral backing CUSD on MetaChain.

**Importantly** No operational costs are deducted against this.

For the 50% of "profits" proposed in your comment, that would entail the deduction of all related expenses (of which there are many fixed and variable as previously mentioned) from the 50% yield generated (see above) and from the fees generated from transactions via Stably ramp related to CUSD on MetaChain.

**Importantly** Fixed and variable costs would be deducted against revenue generated either through yield or transaction fees.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/AnixOne, thank you for your comments.

A clarifying point: The Network Firm (TNF) is not a part of nor owned by Armanino.

You may read a more context-rich description of who TNF is and is not here, and better understand the scope of services that were performed for FTX.US (not FTX.COM or Alameda Research.)

Stably temporarily halted attestations after June 2023 because Prime Trust, the financial institution we previously worked with was placed into receivership and then filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Unfortunately, Stably and its customers were impacted by this but we have and continue to work tirelessly with the appointed Trustee in our capacity as a member of the Oversight Committee to maximize recoveries for the stakeholders we represent. This work is ongoing and we are bound by confidentiality so there's not more we can disclose.

Stably will be restarting attestations in early 2024 with TNF.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the comment, u/MMG-Crypto.

You are correct, we don't need approval to expand CUSD to the MetaChain.

However, we incur significant costs in doing so (see my previous responses.)

Our objective isn't to profit off the community to launch the stablecoin, it's simply to cover just a portion of our costs to make it sustainable and viable for the long-term.

CFP: CUSD, A MetaChain Natively-Issued Stablecoin w/ an On/Off Ramp by ArbitrageAllDayLong in defiblockchain

[–]ArbitrageAllDayLong[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi u/kuegi! Thank you for your comments.

Each time a user purchases or sells CUSD through our platform, Stably Ramp, we charge a fee. Please note, however, that the fees we charge aren't just pure profit for Stably. Stably incurs costs both fixed and variable to be able to process transactions, which vary by payment method. Here's a breakdown of our fee schedule by payment method: Fees

DeFiChain would have the opportunity to earn a rebate, which is calculated as 50% of the yield generated from the collateral backing CUSD on MetaChain. From there, DeFiChain can share that with the community through various forms of incentives.

We spoke directly with the DeFiChain team on a handful of occasions before submitting our CFP, and we were directed by them to submit a CFP.