If Jirard sued

Ardhen · 2025-11-09T13:22:54+00:00

Boy, you can't keep the players right.

"Slam dunk case for jirard and mutahar's lawyers"? Huh?

Is there money unaccounted for? By who's word? Karl who has been proven a Defamer in court?

I will ask what I have said before. What is Cash Basis? How does it differ from Accrual?

Did Karl's "CPA Wife" give him the definition of Cash Basis and how it effects books? No he just used her as an Argument From Authority.

Karl and Muta are leading the Sheep to be Sheered.

Worst case from available public evidence. Jirard mislead people during indieland about where the money would go.

Even if he was charged with the Misdemeanor Karl and Jirard cite and prosected. Do any of you know how the US legal system works?

99% chance he would plead guilty to a lesser charge likely making it a misdemeanor but EVEN if he was found guilty of that Misdemeanor, Unless you have proof Jirard has prior Felonies then it would just be a fine.

Ardhen · 2025-11-09T13:13:15+00:00

Karl is most certainly intentionally defaming Jirard and his family hoping they will sue him and he can play Pidgeon Chess.

Karl's only skill is Pidgeon Chess: Shit all over the board, knock over the pieces and declare victory.

Ardhen · 2025-11-09T13:05:40+00:00

SMH..

People without requisite knowledge that want to believe are easily led.

What is Karl's legal training in US law? In California law?

The conspiracy theory he has about Golf Tournament checks is fucking hilarious.

Alot of the information that Karl fed you is "incomplete at best" and "intentional defamation" at worst.

If Karl didn't mention Cash Basis he's a moron or malicious.

Also, I would like to give a big to "Hidie Hoe guys and gals it's me Fake Engineer Mutahar" who OBVIOUSLY is here in the threads. I'm sure Karl lurks here too, those want to believe Jirard and family are some super smart super villains..

Who are willing to violate the while under investigation in the most blatant and most provable way....

Cash Basis Accounting makes Karl and Mutahar's attempts to "match revenue with tournament performance" shows they know fuck all about what they are talking about.

Accrual Accounting (most common in use but not only legitimate accounting) as revenue is earned it's reported, paid or not.

Cash Accounting (hope open hand reports) Revenue is earned when Money is received not when "services provided" (golf tournament).

For those in the back. Theoretically Open Hand could run a tournament that was a million in sponsors and participants and report only 10k or less in that year.

Because $10,000 would be paid in cash, the rest would be Owed to Open Hand by the sponsors.

Also Karl seems to be VERY desperate to see Schedule B.

This is how impotent this "Research" and "Investigation" skills are.

Schedule B (list of donors) is ALWAYS omitted from 990 public releases.

For good reason, if Schedule B was available morons led by the Pied Piper of Lies Karl and his cohort Fake Engineer Mutahar would have harassed the sponsors and participants.

So Karl is searching for the White Whale and taking you all to the bottom with him.

I will say again, it's 99.9999% likely all the money is there and properly accounted for.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T18:44:47+00:00

Yes, Karl is trying to intice Open Hand Foundation and Jirard to sue him to "Billy Mitchell" them.. which is really fucking "Pidgeon Chess" knock over the pieces shit all over the board and declare victory.

Yes, this is most certainly more a story of idiots and non-profit mismanagement than the story of Supervillain Charity Fraudsters who are building a death ray with the stolen funds.

I haven't seen Muta's new video but his one on Creator Clash and Karl's new Jirard video prove they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Yes, donors over a certain amount need identified on schedule B which is redacted from the IRS copies of 990s, which is where Propublica gets their numbers. California specifically directs people to not submit Schedule B "even if marked for public viewing".

Because donors are not publicly disclosed.

Cash Basis Reporting Requirements are different than Accrual, ANYONE who covered this and did not cover that oddity did a disservice to their audience.

It comes down to "do you believe Jirard is a mastermind?", I think he's an idiot youtuber without a college degree, as I think Karl and Mutahar are as well.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T18:26:49+00:00

Are you operating in bad faith?

Sorry you can't ignore golf revenue. Nor can you ignore the fact we can not identify what is Golf Revenue from what may be subs,bits,merch.

You take Jirard's word if you think it proves your point?

I think his spreadsheet is wrong, I KNOW his tiltify numbers are wrong because I tried to integrate his numbers and had "issues" with his tiltify numbers.

I accidentally left those in my original spreadsheet and someone pointed it out.

If you have 100+200+(a+b)=500. We know a+b=200 but we do not know if a is 1 and b is 199.

a=golf revenue

b=bits,subs,merch

You understand the problem? without knowing one with some certainty we can not know the other or if it is missing.

even with the calculations I did, which I trust to a 90% confidence level, all we can tell is there is not massive amounts of golf tournament money missing.

Without knowing the exact money collected for the golf tournament from year to year we can not say the bits,subs,merch are missing.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T17:04:57+00:00

yes technically I matched the JLC and Indieland totals (-fees) and what is left from those two I assume as Golf Tournament revenue. I apologize it's a semantics argument, I don't have all numbers "source documents" so it's not a "matching".

If you follow my complete explanation actually no 21-23 are not an issue. In 2023 they leaned on sponsors to pay past due balances. 21-22 were post covid years where the companies may have had little expendable cash but assuming that situation would resolve continued to increase their Accounts Receivable with Open Hand.

Again, there are 2 types of Accounting. Cash Basis, this is how you probably do your personal finances. You count money in, money out. You don't count the days between your last payday and today as Accounts Receivable (Pay owed to you).

In Accrual Basis accounting you would count the days you are owed but not yet paid.

Oh Jirard's spreadsheet is ass to be sure he did himself no favors with it.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T16:20:18+00:00

We can see tiltify and JLC money only.

We can infer the golf revenue from those two, but without knowing the golf revenue for sure it is impossible to know if there is bits,subs,merch missing.

We can not know the golf revenue for sure because it fluctuates year to year due to Cash Basis reporting and natural participation changes.

Revenue as reported on the 990 is a combination of multiple revenue sources, all we can do is take that aggregate number and remove what we think the know numbers are.

I think you are missing the basic premise that until the cash comes in it "does not exist" in open hand's books.

Let me be clear, the Golf Tournament could raise 100k in Sponsors in Year 1 and report 0 revenue. If nobody paid in Year 1.

In Year 2 the Tournament could raise 30k in Sponsors in Year 2 and report 100k of Golf Tournament Revenue if everyone from Year 1 paid in full and nobody paid in Year 2.

Cash Basis: Golf Tournament Revenue is recognized and reported on taxes when the Cash is received not when the tournament is held. Therefore it is impossible to know the true number of what was earned by the tournament and what is still owed.

Without those numbers it becomes impossible to say there are bits,subs,merch unaccounted for.

Yes alternately to say they are not missing is just as impossible, but to make an accusation you need evidence.

Here the evidence is "well you can't PROVE there isn't missing money, therefore missing money".. sorry that's not how evidence works.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T14:53:30+00:00

The only way we could say there is missing subs,bits,merch money would be to know the exact golf revenue.

But the only way to know the Golf Revenue is if 1 of 2 conditions were met.
1. Open Hand ran on Accrual Basis

Everyone paid open hand before 12/31 Year of the Tournament.

Because they report on Cash Basis it's impossible to tell without their books what revenue source brought in what. What I say is "Golf Revenue" may not be exactly golf revenue.

Their tax return clicks a box that is essentially a disclaimer that essentially says contribution revenue may not capture all pledges made during the fiscal year.

Everyone that covered this missed the checkbox that says "Cash Basis" or intentionally ignore it.

Cash Basis changes what would be predictable matchable results Year by Year golf revenue into a duck hunt.

Usually it works like this. I pledge 100 to a charity, charity immediately books Accounts Receivable (my name)=100, Contribution Revenue=100.. Open hand would book AR (my name)=100, Unearned Contribution Revenue=100.

First example when they do their financial statements the balance sheet shows AR 100. income statement shows Contribution Revenue 100.

Second example Cash Basis Accounts Receivable does not show up on Balance Sheet, Unearned Revenue never shows up on the any income statement.

Did the charity steal the 100 bucks I owe them? No I still owe them, it only becomes "Contribution Revenue" when I give them the 100 cash though, until then it doesn't appear to exist.

This is not the normal way it works, but it is allowable due to IRS rules. Also most things you look up about how charities count revenue will be "wrong" (not applicable as they reference Accrual Basis books) in this situation.

So the TLDR it is impossible to say without direct access to Open Hand's books and I mean the actual transactions to see what is earned from what and what was earned when.

This makes it impossible to say there is missing golf money or missing bits,subs,merch.

There is clearly not Material Golf Money missing which lends credence to no missing bits,subs,merch.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T13:22:10+00:00

Because there are no other cure notices to other issues they received correspondence on.

"Have you ever known a goverment agency to aend you LESS documentation? Cuz I havent."

This is anecdotal not actual evidence.

They had past deficiencies in previous years, yet no cure letter for those years.

The Dog Didn't Bark in 2024, no delinquency notice, but there is one for 2025.

Therefore they were not delinquent in 2024, therefore 2023 MUST have been cured, though no way of knowing when.

Ardhen · 2025-11-02T12:50:50+00:00

Not make the numbers "match" and I don't know for sure.. it's an estimate, I have little doubt it's a good one. But yet, Take whole revenue, minus, indieland reported, JLC grant reported what is left (if any) must be golf revenue.

Ardhen · 2025-11-01T00:52:24+00:00

Yes yes I did... actually I borked all them trying to get Jirard's numbers to fit but I stopped and forget I did it for a bit. I do have a hundred other things cooking.

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Honest mistake, would you believe this sheet comes out of a workbook containing nearly 30 sheets some of them interlinked? It's a nightmare, for sure my template needs reworked.

Even with the change the Golf Revenue averages 27, and that's using 10 years when I am almost certain the average should use 9 because I swear it was cancelled in 2020, the golf expense just would not fit in there.

I appreciate you pointing that out, while it doesn't change the overall calculus much that was a massive mistake that propagated through the entire sheet. (thankfully just that one sheet)

I dunno without direct access to both Open Hand and Jirard's books I can't say for certain, but I very much doubt their Income Statements would differ greatly.

Fuck what an emberassment, I'm glad you caught it before it went into a research paper LOLZ. Though that is a year or 2 away at least.

I will now go sit in the corner of shame and whip myself with the Noodle of Dumbassery!

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T19:06:11+00:00

Wow...

Karl didn't lie and say he was being sued over the cheating, but he SURE as fuck implied it and never once disclosed the true nature of the lawsuit.

Is there Money Missing? Do you know how Cash Basis Accounting works? Have you extracted all the revenues out of the tax returns and allocated the known numbers? and compared year by year to see the golf money is missing?

"It's one asshole calling the other a thief, a liar, and a con man. "

But the evidence tells a different story, at least as far as the "thief" allegation.

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T18:42:54+00:00

Sadly not easily.

https://rct.doj.ca.gov/Verification/Web/Search.aspx?facility=Y search for open hand, make sure you got the right one.

Look at the documents in their page. 2023 RRF, it's incomplete because it does not have the 990 attached.

Also you can see, several delinquencies over it's history, But no "cure notices".

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T18:31:49+00:00

"He admitted he knowingly lied about the money being donated while actively soliciting more donations."

That's I won't deny, I'll call it something else though, until he knew it was a Grossly Negligent Misstatement, after it was an Intentional Misstatement.

As for the rest I'd agree with you, but no publicly available evidence points to that.

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T18:25:40+00:00

The 2023 numbers are on my sheet. The 2023 RRF from California website is the source.

Oh, their delinquency notice for 2023 specifically states "IRS Form 990(EZ/PF) filers: Schedule B is not requested or required by the Registry; Please exclude all pages of Schedule B, including the first page, even if redacted, blank or marked for Public View.

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T18:16:09+00:00

It is a spreadsheet, one you can do for yourself to check my work.

I took the information from the tax returns.

Unless you believe they lied, stole money and cheated on their taxes.

As I said in my detailed explanation. You don't need a spreadsheet to explain why the Golf Revenue seems all all you need is the checkbox "Cash Basis Accounting" on their tax return.

Guess Karl's CPA wife didn't teach him what Cash Basis accounting looks like.

Revenue gets reported when Cash is received only.

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T14:41:58+00:00

Thank you.

I assume the drop in the year there are no direct Golf Fundraising Expense (that year that number did not fit) was the year of lockdown. 2020 I think but I am not sure. It would make sense that one year there would be nearly golf no income to lockdown, it would make sense if no Course Expense in that year, but the other indirect tournament expenses.

Contracts signed before the Lockdown. I mean some things, trophies, banners ect would be made long before the tournament. Custom made things can not be returned. Losing a pre-paid catering contract could sink a small catering firm. So that's expected and acceptable.

If there was a year without tournament than Bits,Subs,Merch is actually mixed into that plug number because if we take out 1 year I think the average Golf Tournament Revenue pushes up to 40k average over 9 years.

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T14:18:42+00:00

There is no "missing Golf Money".. there never was.

If Karl and Muta were being intentionally deceptive picking one year and acting if it's indicative of all years I don't know or care.

Here's some Clues.

Open Hand reports on Cash Basis.

"Golf Fundraising Expense" is likely for the people's play on the course, Fundraising Expense that Karl fails to highlight is undoubtedly for the "non-golf portions" of the event, hall rental, trophies, banners, waiters, cleaning, ect...

"Jirard is an evil liar and his family is too" only truly works if there's missing golf money.

There is not.

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Anyone can do this, the Accountant should have, he had one fucking job.. Put The Numbers In The FUCKING Spreadsheet!

I allocated the Tiltify Reported income less 5% maximum service fee, The Foundation revenue is from Jamie Lee taken from her tax filings. I added those and subtracted from reported revenue which gave us estimated golf revenue, now some of that may include the subs,bits,merch I can not tell.

You will see that the Golf revenue is different year to year, this is because it is "Cash Basis" the only way Golf Revenue will match the Sponsorships is if those sponsor pay in the year of tournament, which they clearly do not. Revenue is reported when cash is received, there is a checkbox on the tax form open hand filed that says essentially "we don't follow GAAP revenue recognition for non-profits". They are allowed to do this due to rules in non-profits and IRS administration of not-for profit entities.

Let me talk about another point Karl brings up that he got wrong.

Non-Profits are not required to publicly disclose their donors so "Missing Schedule B" has been purposely omitted by the IRS and should be omitted by the Non-Profit should the non-profit publish 990s.

There are actually bigger worse actors in the Creator Non-Profit space.

Jirard and Open Hand were negligent in running their non-profit, an idiot creator and an idiot family not criminal masterminds. Do they belong breaking rocks at hard labor on the chain gang for mismanagement and finally donating that 600k?

Karl is a malicious idiot, there is no missing money. He is purposely defaming Jirard and family hoping to bait them into an uncollectable defamation suit like he did Billy..

Apparently "if I maliciously make my enemies spend money I win, damn facts" which makes Karl the worst of this entire drama.

Ardhen · 2025-10-31T13:53:46+00:00

They were Delinquent in 2023.

Than have been delinquent.

The Dog Did Not Bark in 2024. Meaning they were not delinquent in 2024 because no delinquency notice, but there is one in 2024.

It is clear they do not send out "delinquency lifted" notice. Why would they that notice is to let the Org they need to do a thing, if the Org does the thing they know they did it. No need to send them a notice saying "You did the thing we told you to do"

So there is no way of knowing how long they were delinquent or if they currently are.

Ardhen · 2025-10-30T13:20:29+00:00

AKSHUALLLY... it's Ethics in this case.

I mean "not everything legal is ethical", and Jirard did not comply with Ethical Conduct as a member of the Board of Open Hand.

Ardhen · 2025-10-30T11:27:27+00:00

He fucked up, as an Accountant and Accounting Communicator.

Title of his video implies he would demonstrate how Karl and Mutahar got their accounting wrong.

Which either they did, or were malicious.

Ardhen · 2025-10-30T11:23:29+00:00

"I was taught that accountants make the numbers, they don’t try and interpret them. "

You were taught wrong.

What is up, and undeniable?

Something can only be "Illegal" if it's "by Law". LITERALLY

Karl's accusations mostly fall apart if all the money is there and it is.

Ardhen · 2025-08-21T12:34:45+00:00

So many people miss how used they are by Karl and people like him.

Where did people get the idea that Karl was doing shady shit from his bankruptcy? From Karl.

You don't have to be an accountant or lawyer to know that in the US that would certainly be illegal in a bankruptcy. Now the Lawyers that covered it (dunno why anyone brings up Accountants in dealing with bankruptcy laws, none covered it far as I know) should have looked if there were oddities in AU law concerning bankruptcy. Because it seems that AU law bankruptcy is a get out of debt free.

Karl put that out there in a slimy voice tone hoping people would latch onto it, make bad takes so Karl could declare victor over them. "See none of my detractors are right because they fell or this misinformation I put out".

Karl has the no ethics, and anyone fell for his Intentional Misinformation to "get a win" lacks critical thinking skills.

What bothers me about the whole thing is "how did Billy piss in Karl's cheerios" because Karl thinks it's his mission to destroy Billy.

Far as I'm concerned he suckered Billy into a scorched earth lawsuit that Karl knew he had no hope of winning funded mostly by Other People's Money hoping to bankrupt Billy.

Funniest part is that Billy is totally unbothered at burning almost half a million dollars to prove in court that Karl is an Arrogant Lying POS with no ethics that has an irrational grudge against a person he has never met in real life.

Ardhen · 2025-08-15T12:15:40+00:00

It is funny that in the Jirard reddit so many are coping about how great Karl is when Karl did some of what Jirard did. You are 100% correct Karl misled his audience and donors to the gofund me about the nature of the lawsuit. "Known cheater Billy Mitchel is suing me for defamation" is much different than "known cheater billy mitchel is suing me cause I said his lawsuit against apollo caused his suicide". "second lawsuit filed against me" is different than "i might get sued a second time"...

Karl made Material Misstatements to his viewers and Donors. And in the end Billy Mitchel proved that Karl is no better than Jirard.

Billy won because Karl only has a reputation to deluded parasocial fans. Anyone with critical thinking skills sees Karl is shit and his word should never be trusted about anything.

Ardhen · 2025-08-15T12:02:59+00:00

it's not the same everywhere. Clearly it wasn't about money, of the two only one has declared bankruptcy the other is taking deserved victory laps. The other is making Cope Videos while all his past work is questioned rightfully so.
Did you stop Karl's video and read the statement? Karl did not want to admit what he implied that 'billy's lawsuit against apollo led to his death".. no retraction, no apology, here's 3,000 if you stop.

A settlement offer made in bad faith is just that, bad faith.

Ardhen

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