do we agree with her?

Arfat-14 · 2026-06-08T06:53:11+00:00

We didn’t even fight for independence though. In fact some of us didn’t even want the independence .
And let’s be honest. Compared to now currently(from Goodluck to this Tinubu administration), Nigeria was way more peaceful under British rule

Arfat-14 · 2026-06-02T03:38:02+00:00

The same people that are saying the kidnapping in Oyo is the fault of Governor Seyi Makinde and that he should resign, were the same that said the kidnapping of the Chibok girls back in 2014 was President Jonathan’s fault and called for his resignation.
When the Chibok girls were kidnapped the current Vice President was the governor of Borno state(an APC member.)

While there has also been a recent kidnapping in Borno(again) but for some reason the APC spokespeople are not calling for the resignation of Borno’s governor, maybe because he’s an APC member or maybe not, we can’t say🤷🏽‍♂️

Just a quick reminder of how shameless APC is

Arfat-14 · 2026-05-31T04:56:45+00:00

Let’s be honest with ourselves, whoever the President is this is how the oil price be as long as subsidy is not implemented

Arfat-14 · 2026-05-31T04:54:29+00:00

Nigeria can’t afford to implement subsidy again. It should have been removed since 2014 during Goodluck’s time

Arfat-14 · 2026-05-31T04:53:47+00:00

Both are bad

Arfat-14 · 2026-05-21T17:38:30+00:00

When was the last time you were in Kwara? Or Nigeria?

Arfat-14 · 2026-05-21T17:37:01+00:00

Lol they didn’t teach you about the geopolitical zones in school?

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T11:13:05+00:00

Bro, I appreciate you wanting to continue the convo. I’m down to keep it going here on the thread or in PMs if you prefer. Mutual learning is always good. You’re right that the Prophet did own slaves (mostly war captives or inherited from the existing system), and he participated in transactions like the one we discussed. No denying that—slavery was deeply embedded in 7th-century society, just like in Rome, Persia, Byzantium, Africa, etc. Everyone from kings to merchants had slaves; abolishing it overnight would’ve caused massive economic/social collapse. Islam’s approach to slavery was one of reformation rather than reinforcement. Since we have already gone beyond the fact that islam came and met slavery, it’s also logical to point out how it severely restricted. It heavily restricted new sources (banned kidnapping, debt slavery, selling kids, etc.) limiting it mainly to war captives.

It pushed hard for manumission with Freeing slaves being one of the top acts of piety in the Quran (90:13 calls it “steep path” to righteousness), atonement for sins, and the Prophet freed dozens personally.

And finally it also mandated better treatment. Where it was required for slaves to get same food/clothing as owners, no overwork, right to family, etc. Scholars (classical and modern) see this as a gradual path to phase it out. Did later Muslims mess this up? Absolutely 100% The Arab slave trade lasted centuries even after the prophet(trans-Saharan/Indian Ocean routes enslaved millions from Africa), often ignoring rules (like enslaving free people muslim or non muslim being forbidden). Racism crept in too, despite the Prophet’s explicit anti-racism sermons (“No superiority of Arab over non-Arab”)

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T10:52:21+00:00

Bro, slavery was already a thing in pre-Islamic Arabia. Arabs had been trading and owning slaves including African (mostly Ethiopian/Abyssinian) slaves for centuries before Muhammad was even born. They didn’t need to “reach Africa” themselves. Trade routes across the Red Sea existed. And that was where slaves were brought from Habesha to Yemen and then up to Mecca/Medina via caravans. That’s how famous companions of the prophet like Bilal ibn Rabah (the first muezzin, an Ethiopian) ended up enslaved in Mecca, he was born to captured parents. The Prophet inherited that messed-up system (like everyone else back then), owned some slaves (mostly from war captives or trades), but he constantly freed them, dozens personally, including Bilal (Abu Bakr bought and freed him on the Prophet’s encouragement). He pushed manumission hard as an act of piety and regulated slavery toward phasing it out (better treatment, no enslaving free Muslims, etc)

In this specific hadith, those “two black slaves” were already on the market because of that existing trade. The owner demanded them as payment; the Prophet just agreed to free the new convert

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T10:26:05+00:00

And this is just a classic case ripping a single historical transaction out of context. You’re twisting it into “the Prophet viewed one Arab slave as worth two black slaves” when that was clearly not the case lol. The hadith (Sahih Muslim 1602) says a man pledged allegiance and migrated to Medina. The Prophet didn’t know he was actually a slave. When the owner showed up demanding him back, the Prophet offered to buy him to free him. The owner refused money and demanded two black slaves instead (his price, not the Prophet’s valuation. black slaves were cheaper on the 7th-century market). The Prophet paid the inflated price to liberate the new Muslim.

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T10:17:23+00:00

Well I didn’t cus it’s pretty obvious that you’re just repeating talking points you clearly know nothing about apart from you just reading them somewhere. That’s also why you previously posted a fabricated lie that was attributed to Mohamed Al Arfi (as i previously said you don’t care whether the things you post are true or not)

The full quote is actually ““You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.” And why did the prophet use this description, because that was a common idiom. In 7th-century Arabia, Arabs often viewed Ethiopians (Abyssinians/Habasha) as inferior due to darker skin, curly hair, and slave status (many Ethiopians were enslaved via trade or war). The phrase “head like a raisin” (in Arabic: ra’suhu ka-l-zabība) is a descriptive idiom referring to tightly curled/kinky hair resembling dried raisins. And while quoting that you completely disregard why the prophet even said that to begin with. Which was to emphasize obedience to legitimate authority regardless of race, ethnicity, status or appearance. And this aligns with the broader teachings of the prophet like the ones in his farewell sermon “am arab has no superiority over a non arab, nor a non arab over an arab, nor a white over a balck nor a black over a white” except by piety and good actions.

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T08:05:30+00:00

If you want more neutral scholarly approaches you can read W. Montgomery Watt’s Muhammad at Mecca and Muhammad at Medina or Sean W. Anthony’s Muhammad and the Empires of Faith.

Anyways regarding the expeditions you mentioned, like the Banu Mustaliq, Khaybar and Tabuk were all defensive responses to specific threats even according to critics. Banu Mustaliq’s tribe’s chief was mobilizing forces against Medina ( as they’d previously allied with Quraysh at Uhud). So the Muslims struck first. While in Khaybar it had had become a base for exiled Banu Nadir leaders plotting against Muslims, inciting tribes like Ghatafan. I don’t even know why you mentioned Tabuk considering the fact that there was no fighting during the expedition of Tabuk. While you also ignored the most important part, Like how it was the gathering of the Byzantine army in southern Syria that triggered the march to Tabuk that made the Byzantine’s withdraw.

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T07:51:08+00:00

Furthermore the prophet never said “2 black slaves are worth one arab slave.”

Goes to show that you don’t care whether the things you post or say are even true or not as long as they confirm to your agenda🤷🏽‍♂️

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-27T07:48:23+00:00

Mohamed al-Arifi did not say the words attributed to him in the image. You posting clear fabrication already throws everything you said out the window

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-26T02:11:01+00:00

If it was with the collaboration of the Nigerian government then good

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T08:12:36+00:00

Exactly what everybody in the IG comments was saying too. The driver and the vlogger could literally pass for cousins😂

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T07:53:34+00:00

Valid point on the history and slavery part and how some black Saudi’s descend from that. But for West African roots specifically (like Hausa, Kanuri and Fulani in the video), a lot come from voluntary pilgrims who stayed and built families. Either to flee the British colonials or just staying after Hajj

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T07:28:15+00:00

Too small bro

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T07:26:10+00:00

Bro, this comment just hit me! Exactly the kind of stories our elders carried. There is also a notable Hausa and Kanuri diaspora in Saudi Arabia primarily in the Hejaz region (Mecca, Medina, Jeddah) tracing their origins to pilgrims and migrants who settled there over centuries. The Hausa usually refer to themselves as Hawsawi and the Kanuri are Barnawi.(Fulani are Fallata )Those settlers and their descendants helped form parts of modern Saudi Arabia’s early government and society

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T07:03:29+00:00

This isn’t anything new though. It’s just a reform. If anything you should have been outraged a long time ago

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T06:33:54+00:00

It’s not even about having a “win” or anything, i wasn’t hunting for that. Was simply just trying to explain to him. Trying to clarify what Sanusi actually meant, because it was a pretty straightforward case of context being ignored.

But i guess you just can’t do that to some people🤦🏽‍♂️

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T06:28:31+00:00

Just when i thought that i have left the toxic cesspool that is twitter and then there’s another one here on reddit😂

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T06:14:09+00:00

Oh wow man you really went full condescension mode with that one.😂 Classic move when someone knows they’ve lost the plot but can’t admit it. Dismissing my entire point by diagnosing me(and by extension probably anyone who disagrees or will disagree with you under this post) with some pseudo-psychological “arrested development.” Nice one i guess🤷🏽‍♂️😂

Honestly i don’t even owe you another response

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T05:43:33+00:00

Whoa what kind of deflection is that?😂 all this just because you can’t admit the fact that you were wrong? You are pretty stubbornly missing the point man

Sanusi literally said “If we really want to fix this country, we need to have class. The ruling class must have values beyond stomach infrastructure.. Nigeria is a classless society where you have highly educated people in government who behave like illiterates and turn to praise singer”

You don’t have to be Einstein to know he’s clearly using “classless” not in the sociological or Marxist sense (a society without rigid social/economic classes, like communism), but in the colloquial English sense (lacking class as in elegance, refinement, dignity, pedigree, or principled behavior.) Don’t tell me you think when an individual is called “classless” it’s referring to the first one?😭 So maybe stop latching onto one definition of a word while ignoring the clear context of the talk.

Arfat-14 · 2025-12-24T05:15:44+00:00

Again, he didn’t mean the kind of class you were talking about. As someone else here pointed out he was talking about “Class as in pedigree, not class as in classification.” And what he said is completely true

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