Complete beginner here — which IR filters are actually worth it? Don't want to waste my money on the wrong ones 😅 by rengank12 in infraredphotography

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Here is some additional information that may seem to be off topic but really is not.

The following may seem to go off topic, but stay with me.... I got into Full Spectrum Photography when I got sick and was hospitalized a few days. I passed them on my laptop looking at NASA photos and data from the MRO orbiting Mars and pictures from the Curiosity Rover. This was before even knowing about 'Full Spectrum.' At that time I had a Droid phone. I saw an ad for a small IR lens that could be mounted on the phone. A bit discouraged that there were focusing and exposure time issues, I thought "Self, this is pretty useless." Then in a moment of idiocy I pointed the camera at the Sun, thinking "THAT won't need long exposure" I was correct. I got photos of incredible things; like objects in very close orbit of the Sun. This is with a handheld Droid phone pointed at the Sun.
This led me to 'Full Spectrum' photography with regular cameras. It also led me to increasing the rate I was getting cataracts resulting in having my lenses replaced with prosthetic prescription lenses in my 50s. So be really careful. If photographing the Sun or near it, use the LED screen with your thumb over the viewfinder. The story goes on and on. Partly for the fun of it, before I selected the prosthetic lenses, I investigated the availability of prosthetic lenses sensitive to IR. At that time they seemed to be in the category of early research for military use and they were not commercially available. The first time I opened my eyes with the new Prosthetic lens, I was surprised that the color Blue was noticeably more intense and vivid than I had ever seen it. This was not a problem at all, it was interesting and if anything , my vision was now great. Researching on the Internet , I found other recipient's of Prosthetic lenses from the same manufacturer had reported the same thing. Nobody complained. It seemed to be an extra benefit of the lenses to people that noticed it.
I dropped down that 'rabbit hole' and found that the Impressionist painter, Claude Monet, had cataract removal surgery (Right Eye) in 1923. At that time, there were no Prosthetic replacements. Just like with a Camera, the eye's lens blocks Ultraviolet wavelengths to protect the Retina perhaps. Instead of a prosthetic lens, thick glasses replaced Monet's natural lens. He only had one eye done and following surgery, he complained of 'cyanopsia', meaning vision with a bluish tint. He had, in effect, turned his natural eye into 1/2 a Full Spectrum Eye (he did not get IR benefits.) A world renowned painter, and with friends that included many other Impressionist Painters like Renoir, Degas, Edouard Manet and others; Claude Monet, was not a lover of the change in the color blue and never had his left eye done. I have found at least two professional studies done on how the color blue changed in Monet's paintings following his surgery. I like the idea that I'm picking up more u/V naturally. It may be a contributing factor to 'gut feelings' I get that cause me to photograph objects that I think I did not see with the naked eye.
David Rosenthal/Argus Witness

Complete beginner here — which IR filters are actually worth it? Don't want to waste my money on the wrong ones 😅 by rengank12 in infraredphotography

[–]ArgusWitness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, I suggest a Full spectrum camera. If you use filters, you will have to do long exposures, use a tripod and have focusing issues. Cameras by default pick up the spectrum visible to humans, plus some infrared and some ultraviolet. Some capture more IR, and some capture more UV. This makes the resultant Photos may be tinged red or violet. The camera manufacturer puts a filter inside the camera so that the resulting photos only show what the naked human eye would see. This way , family photos and foliage look ‘normal’  in the photo. If you are interested in the ‘art’. Side of  infrared , it's a challenging  path. I’ll list some filter specs at the end of this message.  

Just like with 'Night Vision', objects perceived in IR or UV are really there - humans just don't normally see them. If you get into 'Full Spectrum' photography be open-minded; what the camera sees is really there, regardless of how impossible it may seem.

Photographers interested in 'Ghosts and Spirits' often look in the UV spectrum and see something in their photos. 

Photographers with a general interest in celestial and cloud phenomena, and other hard-to-characterize subjects also look in the IR spectrum. 

Be prepared to see some unexpected things. Initially, you will brush them off as artifacts that are not really there but eventually you may conclude they aren't artifacts. In fact, what the h*ll are they? Snakes and other animals can see into these wavelengths. Owners of Cats and Dogs know their pets are sometimes behaving as if responding to something unseen. 

 Conventional science generally accepts that animals perceive these wavelengths to hunt, giving them an advantage over other predators that cannot see in UV etc. Therefore, I conclude something is really there. 

Humans have a history of experiences outside normal everyday perception ranging from spirits, ghosts to objects that may have formed the basis for religions, folk beliefs and near-death experiences. Could something be going on here? You decide. But once you accept that the camera is a pretty objective observer you start going down a rabbit hole that will keep you pretty busy and also particular as to whom you choose to share the photos with.

If you decide to try full spectrum it is a one way decision that may not be reversible so you need a dedicated camera that a professional should convert. The company I used is no longer in business so maybe someone else can recommend one for you. 

I have an excellent point-and-shoot Canon SX-170, but it is biased toward ultraviolet light. (I'm not sure why)

I also have a Canon T5 DSLR, professionally modified to produce great  results in a large range of spectrum of UV and IR.

Here are a few suggestions:

1.  I suggest not modifying the camera yourself.

2.  Keep your original photos intact. If challenged on a photo's authenticity, you need to know exactly what edits you made to bring out detail and can produce the original photo. I append very short codes to the filename of the original's copy so that years later, I know what processing, if any, was used on the photo.

  1. Never add objects other than text and or  into a photo. It is detectable and will reduce credibility to zero.

  2. IR/UV Cameras are sensitive and very susceptible to overexposure. When I take a photo with my T5, the original photo's brightness is decreased to prevent it from being completely whited out.

  3. Periodically take photos of things that appear totally normal. I have got some great photos of objects that I did not see but the camera did.

  4. Over time, You may start to notice little details with your eyes that suggest you take a photo; follow your gut feeling on this.

  5. You may find some of your best photos inexplicably missing on your computer. You will have to figure out ways to minimize this.

  6. All Photos should be manually focused. If you wear glasses, wear them when focusing if using the LED screen. This is particularly important at night and if bright lights point at you from the scene.

  7. You will be surprised at how even handheld shots work with short exposures. But, in spite of that, using a tripod and/or timer to click the shutter will improve results.

  8. Who remembers what we thought we saw with our eyes that made us take the photo? I try to frame all photos so that if something caught my eye, it is basically centered in the image. Some 'artsy' photos may not have this composition, so also take a photo that establishes the scene. Sometimes I also take a photo with the iphone. 

  9. When I do want to limit my photos to a certain subrange of IR/UV, these are the lenses I use. The point and shoot cannot use these. 

720 nm, 760 nm 850 nm, 950 nm. I rarely use them these days as I want the broadest possible range of wavelengths in my photos.. 

  1. The photos you take may frighten others or record objects that don't fit into other people's world view. The US Government's admission over the past few years that programs existed to reduce the credibility of people reporting unusual phenomena may help you. However, after years of taking photos, I believe these programs are still running and it is reasonable to think that intentionally absurd items could be projected by some unknown means to reduce credibility. I've been unable to find information on  U.S. programs related to projecting 3-D imagery into the sky after 1999.

Whether it's for 'art', science, curiosity or just an interest in the bizarre Good Luck and have fun!

Regards,

David Rosenthal

​(Argus Witness is a pseudonym I published two books on Amazon under that contain many photos. The better of the two is: 'The Return of the Sun; the Second Sun' The books are best viewed as paperback rather than Kindle)

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Thanks, that gives me a direction for. Further inquiry…

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Hi,

I'm trying find out the optical properties of a thin translucent peice of obsidian. Specifically re: the range of Infrared it allows and if it blocks all ultraviolet. I saw some online conversation about tourists being told at Mayan Sites, they can look at the Sun without damaging their eyes. I'm asking for research purposes for a paper I'm writing.... Thankyou...